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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 10:53:33 AM »
Most people fall to the BS of digital camera salesmen. They outright lie to the customers when they sell the cameras.

A digital camera is no different from a regular camera in that it needs high quality optics to take good pictures. It doesn't matter if you have 30 megapixels if your lense is the size of a needle. Then again with 6 megapixels you can take pro class shots if you wield a $1500 lense on your camera.

The first picture was taken with maximum zoom -> lense was not powerful enough to bring enough light on the cell -> image became noisy. Add to the problem camera shake on high zoom -> camera probably uses digital camera shake correction -> resolution decreases dramatically. The less light comes on the chip the more noise you will have in the image. And that is without taking other typical lense problems in account.

Second big problem with digital cameras is that for cost saving reasons the chip that captures the image is actually much smaller than the opening of the camera. To acommodate that there's an extra lens that works like a reverse magnifying lense which stuffs the image on the chip. This creates an another layer of image degradation.

The cheapest camera available that can take pictures using a full opening size chip is the Canon 5D. Prices start from $2000 add another $1500 for basic optics.

So, you shouldn't be wondering why your 12Mpix camera takes crappy pictures. You should be wondering how you bought the salesline of supposedly high quality from a $200 digital camera.

And don't take me wrong I'm not blaming you - sales people ride the pixels in the marketing. Good news is that if you have a digital system camera, you can upgrade the optics just like any other camera to get some better quality pictures.
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 11:53:29 AM »
And don't take me wrong I'm not blaming you - sales people ride the pixels in the marketing. Good news is that if you have a digital system camera, you can upgrade the optics just like any other camera to get some better quality pictures.
Depends on what your camera is.  If its a point and shoot, forget about it.  Even the SLR-look a likes rarely offer replacement lenses.

I'd like to what know camera/model you have Meatwad just so we can gauge what kind of camera it is.  I tried downloading one of your pics and reading the File Info in Photoshop, but the camera data was not saved.

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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 12:16:10 PM »
Depends on what your camera is.  If its a point and shoot, forget about it.  Even the SLR-look a likes rarely offer replacement lenses.

I'd like to what know camera/model you have Meatwad just so we can gauge what kind of camera it is.  I tried downloading one of your pics and reading the File Info in Photoshop, but the camera data was not saved.

http://www.derstuhl.net/ryan/eaa/

Photos I took in August from the EAA with my Fuji S8000fd camera.  It's not a bad camera.  Couldn't afford an SLR at the time, but thats my next stop.

It can't be a system camera if it doesn't have the option to switch optics.. :)
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 12:20:05 PM »
Its a Canon Powershot S3 1S camera, think it was $250.

I would of liked one of the better $800 Canon's, but I cant afford one.


It works for what I want it to though. My main error was that I was using the wrong setting after I got home and was reviewing the pictures.

Live and learn  :(
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2008, 12:40:50 PM »
Its a Canon Powershot S3 1S camera, think it was $250.

I would of liked one of the better $800 Canon's, but I cant afford one.


It works for what I want it to though. My main error was that I was using the wrong setting after I got home and was reviewing the pictures.

Live and learn  :(

The S3 is quite a capable camera for regular shots from birthday parties etc. But obviously it lacks the optics for airshow shots. Have you ever observed those people at platforms / special places near the runways with their huge objectives? That black beerkeg in front of the camera is the secret to good photos.

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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 12:44:33 PM »
The S3 is quite a capable camera for regular shots from birthday parties etc. But obviously it lacks the optics for airshow shots. Have you ever observed those people at platforms / special places near the runways with their huge objectives? That black beerkeg in front of the camera is the secret to good photos.

Photography is a very cool hobby - it's just darn expensive at hobby level let alone pro.

I would love to have one of those cameras, but dropping $1000+ on a camera/lens/options is something I cant do right now. Someday I will, but not for a while.
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2008, 06:11:46 PM »
Hey Meatwad, if you see them there reenactors again, tell then the WW2 M1 Carbines didn't have a ventilated metal handguard.
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2008, 06:26:32 PM »
I got the pamphlet here somewhere.

The ones with the ventilated handguard were captured soviet rifles
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2008, 07:41:54 PM »
I got the pamphlet here somewhere.

The ones with the ventilated handguard were captured soviet rifles

The pic with the big round thing  (land mine?), on the far right, that is an M1 Carbine, and they didn't have metal ventilated handguards in WW2.  Not even if the Russkies had some, and I never saw any pics of Russkies with M1 Carbines.
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2008, 08:44:54 PM »
The pic with the big round thing  (land mine?), on the far right, that is an M1 Carbine, and they didn't have metal ventilated handguards in WW2.  Not even if the Russkies had some, and I never saw any pics of Russkies with M1 Carbines.

Hmmm.

I only know what I was told there
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Re: GRRR! Never can get a great picture/Airshow pictures
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2008, 09:09:22 AM »
In that weapons pic, bottom rifle is a sniper version of the MN91-30. Very nice rifle and kinda hard to find.