One good thing to come from a long Recession/Depression

[dentin]

I'm a stone cold republican with no agenda. What I see here is a lot of people murdering the message not the messenger. Personally I think Al Gore is beyond being a total idiot and that the underlying very real issues have been used for political gain. That does not however change the reality that we're witnessing potential major changes in climate. The simple fact is that observable sea ice is down by 50% over the last 40 yrs or so and average thickness of the polar sea ice is diminished. Permafrost temperatures are up and glaciers are "down".

While we can debate global trends, observable effects are just that (it should be noted that temp trends in parts of Antartica are notably colder). We are seeing a tremendous change in polar ice that will affect not only sea level but also weather and current patterns globally.

 

[dentin]

no need for third-party editorial thanks, the data is freely available and I can make my own mind up.

you see what you did there? despite me signposting it for you, you ignored the blindingly obvious cylic nature of the temps, when you should have admitted that, yes, global temps are indeed cyclic in nature.

next you also ignored my point about needing to look at a suitable scale to discern trends and have done exactly what i posted about before - you've taken the small snapshot of data which happens to fit your conjecture and used that as "proof."

I think you just qualified as a "climate scientist."

 

[Gixer]

Doesn't this topic belong in the "general climate discussion" thread?"

It wasn't intended as a global warming debate, but to point out that a long recession/depression will put the Man-made global warming theory to the test. That's what the discussion was meant for, will recession impact global warming. My answer is no it won't and temperatures will continue to rise even as global Co2 emissions fall through the floor.


<S>...-Gixer

[RTHolmes]

even a longish global recession wouldn't reduce manmade CO2 output, although it could slow somewhat along with economic growth. if manmade CO2 does contribute to the warming which is happening anyway (I suspect it does, although the contribution is waaay less than most assume) the effect of recession would me negligible.

more worrying for me is that a recession makes less research funding available for future energy resources (fusion specifically) and for the expensive maintenance of existing resources (fission) so we could expect to see more Three Mile Islands and Chenobyls. of course economies will be looking for the cheapest energy out there so expect shelving of new capital-intensive projects (fission) and, if anything, increased use of fossil fuels to fill the gap. looked at this way I would expect manmade CO2 output to increase rather than decrease.

hopefully as economies the world over tighten their belts and strive to fuel economic growth, one of the first things to go will be carbon credit BS.

[DREDIOCK]

This thread is proof of how politically extreme a lot of the bbs users are here.  Last time I checked, the Republican presidential nominee accepts the scientific conclusion that human activity is causing climate change.  For the scientific world, there is no more debate.  It's over.  We have to move on to what we're going to do about it.

Is it just possible he does because it is currently politically correct to do so?

Last time I checked Hillary Clinton was originally full in favor of going to war in Iraq when it was politically advantageous for her to be so.

It was also at one time politically correct to say that blacks were incapable of being effective in combat. And claimed "science" backed them up.

The Grand canyon was formed by what? Glaciers.
Where did they go? Did we cause these glaciers to melt too?

One benifit of current glacier melting is it is uncovering thing that have been covered by glaciers for a very very long time.
Evidence also shows that the earth in these areas were once considerably warmer then it is now.

Personally I dont think it matters if we caused it. Its a natural occurrence. Or is currently (and more probably) a combination of the two.

Politically. there is no downside to support global warming.
The worst we end up with is a cleaner place to live and cleaner air to breathe and water to drink.

Personally I think we should hope it is man made. because if it isnt. Mankind is going to have to learn to adapt to environment changes yet again. just as we have done for thousands of years.
And some of your real estate might not be worth as much submerged.
Though based on the monstrosities I see being built along our coastlines.
Im not altogether sure thats a bad theing either.

[john9001]

The Grand canyon was formed by what? Glaciers.
Where did they go? Did we cause these glaciers to melt too?

based on my research i find that the melting of the glaciers and the ending of the ice age occurred at the time the cavemen discovered fire. The burning of all the wood fires sent tons of CO2 into the atmosphere causing the global warming that also killed all the woolly mammoths and created the Atlantic ocean and also the great lakes.

[Anaxogoras]

Homo erectus had fire hundreds of thousands of years ago.

[VonMessa]

Homo erectus had fire hundreds of thousands of years ago.

I think that he was one of Owsley's taste testers.

[RTHolmes]

based on my research i find that the melting of the glaciers and the ending of the ice age occurred at the time the cavemen discovered fire. The burning of all the wood fires sent tons of CO2 into the atmosphere causing the global warming that also killed all the woolly mammoths and created the Atlantic ocean and also the great lakes.

 

[lazs2]

gonna be a lot more co2 when we are cooking each other on campfires.

lazs

[VonMessa]

Mmmmmmmmm........

Tastes like chicken.