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Offline Saxman

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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2008, 09:39:09 AM »
Errors in judgement are part of the game.  Grown men deal with it.  It'd be boring if every game was called perfectly, strikezone of Rhoad Island or not.

Exactly. And I'm saying this as a fan of the team that was victimized by probably the WORST post-season officiating gaffe of baseball's modern era (Denkinger!!!!!!  :furious :furious :furious )
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2008, 09:49:58 AM »
Interesting opinion.  What is different about baseball vs football that makes instant replay appropriate for the latter but not for the former?  Aside from simply stating no replay is more manly.... :rolleyes:  I'm not going to treat that as a serious answer.

In this instance, the umpire admitted that he didn't have what he needed to make a good call, which is the normal sound of the ball in the first baseman's glove vs the sound of the runner's foot on the bag.  Perhaps if the umpire himself deems that he doesn't have what he needs to make an accurate call, instead of just winging it, instant replay would be beneficial for baseball.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2008, 09:53:31 AM »
Interesting opinion.  What is different about baseball vs football that makes instant replay appropriate for the latter but not for the former?
Prissy umpires/prissy players. That would be the dif.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2008, 11:24:04 AM »
Baseball (for the most part) has always made an attempt to remain more connected to its history and tradition. I went to a Blues game once last year as an office Christmas function (it's hockey, not football, I know, but bear with me) and it was like being at a rock concert and laser-light show. The Superbowl (which I HAVE watched when the Rams haven't sucked) may as WELL be a rock concert. :rolleyes:

And of the things that need fixing in baseball, the potential of human error in umpiring is at the very BOTTOM of the list of things that are LEAST needed.

In no particular order, any TWO of these would improve the game about a thousand times more than replay could hope to:

1) The mound needs to be raised back up to its pre-1969 height.

2) Honestly, contraction. There ARE too many teams, and because the talent pool is stretched so thin there's players in the Major Leagues who have no business being there (high strike-out hitters like Adam Dunn and Ryan Howard wouldn't have even gotten a GLIMPSE of the Majors 25 years ago unless they paid admission).

3) Additionally to #2: Then we don't need a three-round playoff system. I don't think it's likely we'll see one round again, but let's at LEAST whittle it back down to only an East and West division in both leagues.

4) Wrest control of the game away from the media. Three-hour games only benefit the advertisers (that's the great thing about extra-innings ball. Almost no more commercial breaks until the game is done, at least in St. Louis).

5) ENFORCE THE REGULATION STRIKE ZONE. Simple as that. The book says the strike zone should be so big, but umpires haven't actually CALLED the regulation strike zone in years.

6) Speaking of Umpires, there's a few who've come to the conclusion they're bigger than the game (Angel Hernandez comes to mind) that need to be knocked off their pedestal.

7) Ditch Interleague. It was a novel idea the first few years, especially when you get classic match-ups Like Cards or Dodgers vs Yankees, or cross-town rivalries like Cubs vs White Socks or Yankees vs Mets. But at this point the novelty has worn off.

8) Following on from #7: When you take away Interleague DON'T REPLACE IT with more in-league games. The season needs to be shortened back down to 154 games.

9) Put an end to that "All-Star Winning Team Chooses Home Field in the World Series) bull. Seriously. The All-Star game shouldn't count for ANYTHING but bragging rights.

There's more, but this is the list I could throw together quickly. All of these would be FAR more significant improvements than anything replay could hope to accomplish.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2008, 11:32:47 AM »
Good post, and persuasive!

The home plate umpire last night seemed to have a more by-the-book strikezone, e.g. Victorino was called out looking on a letters-high strike.

I couldn't agree more about the 3+ hour game. :rolleyes:
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2008, 02:20:44 PM »
The home plate umpire last night seemed to have a more by-the-book strikezone, e.g. Victorino was called out looking on a letters-high strike.

Are you crazy? (sarcasm) That ump was calling a strike zone I could drive a semi-trailer thru.I would bet 25% of those "strikes" would have been balls for a lot of other umpires. Sorry but I couldn't disagree more here.

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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2008, 02:51:33 PM »
Race,

See #5 in my post above.

The problem is those "lot of other umpires" haven't been calling the regulation strike zone. Umpires in the last few years have been calling a strike zone that is significantly SMALLER than what the rulebook dictates.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2008, 03:19:12 PM »
     I disagree Saxman....the stike zone is the width the homeplate correct? Alot of those strikes were down each side of the plate missing paint by as much as a ball diameter. How can you have a rule thats not enforced correctly? It seems stupid to me to say 17" wide when everyone is calling 19". I cant see how they are calling the strike zone too small when you go by that.

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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2008, 03:33:39 PM »
First: The main issue the the strike zone is vertically. Either the top or bottom gets cut off.

Second: The strike zone is where the ball CROSSES the plate, not where the catcher catches it. Just because the catcher receives it a few inches outside, doesn't mean it wasn't in the zone when it crossed the plate.

Third: Whether you disagree or not, it's ALWAYS been part of the game that pitchers try to get the umpire to expand the zone, and this is especially the case of finesse pitchers. When control guys hit their spots early they try to bump a little further outside the black as the game goes on. If the guy's on, he gets the benefit of the doubt. If not, he gets squeezed.

The problem is that the strike zone is typically constricted too much from the START.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2008, 03:55:30 PM »
One thing I've noticed is a visual discrepancy between "pitch-trax" and the over-the-plate instant replay.  A lot of pitches that appear out of the box with pitch-trax catch actually caught the corner of the plate.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2008, 04:20:11 PM »
    I was basing my opinion on the overhead view and my own eye. Pitch Trax is definitly not fool proof and I agree its not a 100% correct view of pitch location. Last night the strike zone was several inches bigger in all directions than the standard set forth in the rules. In my mind last night was a farce for a strike zone when you compare the rule to the game. As longs as its consistent I think is the big key but I hardly see where they are calling it small?

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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2008, 07:15:12 PM »
One night with an oversized strike zone for every five or six where it's microscopic. I'd take a strike zone a few inches bigger over an umpire with an arm that's too tired to raise for anything that's not right down the middle any day of the week.

As long as it's consistent from pitch to pitch.
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2008, 07:47:02 PM »
Allright, now the 3rd base Ump just screwed the Rays.  It goes both ways, but even the announcers are ragging on the Umps for missing a lot of calls this series. ;)
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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2008, 08:21:38 PM »
Lets hope the Rays dont lose the game by one?

On a side note tonights strike zone is more regulation sized in my opinion.

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Re: World Series thread
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2008, 10:00:50 PM »
Black Rays?

More errors than a blind accountant....

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