The Hurricane's secret weapon

[Anaxogoras]

Since we have the BoB setup in the AvA, I've realized that the Hurricane Mk I has a specific advantage against the 109E, one that the Spitfire Mk I lacks: roll rate.  Both the 109E and Spitfire Mk I have a terrible roll rate, it's glacial.  One of the big adjustments I'm failing to make in the 109E is to deflect the ailerons all the way when I want to roll because I'm so used to the F-K variants, which roll just fine without full deflection.

Now, I know we have legions of Spitdweebs in this game, and I bet a lot who have been slated for the Hurricane in the upcoming scenario are disappointed.  However, with its superior roll rate, if I were flying for the RAF I might want a Hurricane!

[apcampbell]

I'll have to try it tonight. I did notice the Spit I's roll rate was horrendous when tangling with Storch

[dedalos]

Roll rate wont help when slow and the 109 goes up

[Shane]

exactly.  109e needs to use the vert against the hurri... i think the 109e slightly outclasses the spit1 and it will (in BoB) boil down to tactics.

[Oldman731]

exactly.  109e needs to use the vert against the hurri... i think the 109e slightly outclasses the spit1 and it will (in BoB) boil down to tactics.

Maneuvering performance slightly favors the Spit.  The Emil's guns (and that dreadful unrecoverable Spitspin) even things out.  I've always thought that the Emil was a lot harder to learn to fly well than the Spit, though.  Once you do, though, the Emil v Spit I is just about the best fight that AH has to offer.

- oldman

[SgtPappy]

I really don't like the Spitfire I's apparent lack of turning ability vs the Hurricane but hey. I'm here for nostalgia so I'll keep flying my Spitfire. Has anyone actually figured out if that deathstall (which I've managed to do in the SpitV and Seafire) is really supposed to happen? I could of sworn that a sudden burst of torque could flip you back over but I guess not.

[Shifty]

Now, I know we have legions of Spitdweebs in this game, and I bet a lot who have been slated for the Hurricane in the upcoming scenario are disappointed. 

Yep, dunno who's worse the Spitdweebs or their more pompass cousins the 109 dweebs.

[captain1ma]

im proud to be a 109 dweeb, and i salute my allied brothers in their dweebie spits!!

[apcampbell]

Well, I for one am a convert. I actually like the Hurri better than the Spit. Besides, IIRC the Hurri was more numerous and had more kills in the actual battle than the Spit. Also add in the fact that it seems everyone prefers the Spit no matter the model. It's fun to be different!

[a4944]

I like the Spit I as you can better keep with the 109Es that try to extend.  A 1 vs 1 beteen a Spit I and 109E (both effectively using flaps) is also very close with perhaps a slight advantage to the Spit I. 

A 109E can totally dictate the fight against a Hurri unless the Hurri has alt.  If you do get into a fight it should be asymmetric if the players are good.  The Hurri needs the 109E to blow it's E and get it into a flatter turn fight.  The 109E needs to keep it's E and make the snap shots against the much better turning Hurri.

I like to view the Hurri as a spider with low E being the web.  Once a 109E gets caught in the low E web, it's in big trouble.

Venom

[Anaxogoras]

I like the Spit I as you can better keep with the 109Es that try to extend.  A 1 vs 1 beteen a Spit I and 109E (both effectively using flaps) is a big advantage to the Spit I.

Fixed.

The Spit I is faster, turns better, and climbs better under 10k ft.  If you don't win a 1vs1 in a Spit I vs a 109E you did something severely wrong.  That said, the performance disparity is small enough, and the firepower advantage of the 109E large enough, that in a multi-vs-multi engagement it's pretty equal.

[a4944]

Fixed.

The Spit I is faster, turns better, and climbs better under 10k ft.  If you don't win a 1vs1 in a Spit I vs a 109E you did something severely wrong.  That said, the performance disparity is small enough, and the firepower advantage of the 109E large enough, that in a multi-vs-multi engagement it's pretty equal.

So, when you fly the Spit 1 you take it for granted that you will own any 109E that you come across?  I feel I have the advantage but know a very good 109E stick can easily get the upper hand.

Venom

[Anaxogoras]

Provided that they are competent and equal pilots, and the 109E does not start with more energy, on paper the Spit MkI wins the 1vs1 a majority of the time.  The 109E wins are going to happen when the Spit pilot makes a fatal mistake, like a bad overshoot across the 109E's gunsite.  The Spitfire can win even when the 109E pilot makes no mistakes.

[apcampbell]

Provided that they are competent and equal pilots, and the 109E does not start with more energy, on paper the Spit MkI wins the 1vs1 a majority of the time.  The 109E wins are going to happen when the Spit pilot makes a fatal mistake, like a bad overshoot across the 109E's gunsite.  The Spitfire can win even when the 109E pilot makes no mistakes.

I can attest to that! Just ask TK or Storch! 

[captain1ma]

tk or storch will kill you no matter what plane they, or you, are flying. those guys are flying death sentences!