Scoring System Fix Idea #2 (Better idea than before)

[Anaxogoras]

Paying attention to this aspect of score is like painting the trim on your house when the foundation is crumbling.

Until HTC removes the field capture stat for attack we aren't even attempting an honest score system.

[Ack-Ack]

To be fair to grizz, he is attempting to make the scoring system more honest than what it currently is.


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[grizz441]

grizz......no offense, but STOP being an engineer in here please?
those of us that have to fix engineers screw ups day in and day out tend to not think too fondly of them. they tend to change things that don't need changing. something that works very very well, for 30 years, suddenly gets changed because an engineer has to keep himself employed.
 the scoring system works well as it is. it seems to be a compromise that htc came up with, seeing as not everyone CAN fly a lot.

 in your above example, you're punishing those that cannot fly a lot. in that example, a pilot that is actually better would suffer in the rankings, if...say for instance......he could only fly 20 hours in a month, as compared to a pilot of lesser skill that could fly 80 hours a month.
 no matter what you do, someone WILL find a way to "game the game", just as they do now.
 

First of all, since you hate engineers, you're a pinhead.  At least then you explained why you don't like the new fix about it punishing people who can't fly a lot, even though you are entirely wrong.

To all you people who hate the scoring system all together, just stop posting in this thread, you all are really annoying.  That's like someone trying to fix the government and people chirping in how there should be no government, it's really just idiotic.  Go troll a thread you actually have a vested interest in.  I bet half of you didn't even understand what I was talking about with my minimum missions flown formula in the first place.  You read half of it, got confused, then decided to just bash me or scoring altogether.

[CAP1]

First of all, since you hate engineers, you're a pinhead.  At least then you explained why you don't like the new fix about it punishing people who can't fly a lot, even though you are entirely wrong.

come out in the field and fix what you design. then you'll understand.

To all you people who hate the scoring system all together, just stop posting in this thread, you all are really annoying.  That's like someone trying to fix the government and people chirping in how there should be no government, it's really just idiotic.  Go troll a thread you actually have a vested interest in.  I bet half of you didn't even understand what I was talking about with my minimum missions flown formula in the first place.  You read half of it, got confused, then decided to just bash me or scoring altogether.Fm will be a number that approaches 1 as your missions increase.  For example if you have only 10 missions flown, your Fm # will be like 0.5, If you have 30 missions flown your Fm # will be like 0.8 if you have 300 missions flown, your Fm will be 0.9987 or something.
 this appears t me to say "the more you fly, the better you can rank.

Example 1: Amsoil21's Fighter Stats All Ranks Add up to 136.  Since he only has 14 missions flown, his Fm would be something like, 0.6 So you take 136/0.6 = 227 which would probably put him somewhere from ranked 8-15 in fighter.
Example 2: Take Steve's Fighter Stats All Ranks Add up to 180.  Since he has 137 missions flown, his Fm would be something like, 0.98 So you take 180/0.98 = 184 which would put him top 2 fighter.
this seems to reinforce that.

as i've said, score is nothing to me. i like the fight. the fights i've repeatedly mentioned against the 80th guys have been the absolute most fun in a long time. they don't pick, they don't ho, they don't run away. they just fight. who needs score when ya can find that?

 aces high is my little retreat from reality. as for the scoring system, i still think htc has it set up as best as they can.

oo yea..the fact that i can figure out why something would break or seize or stop working that some engineer claimed would never fail, i think makes me just a tad smarter than said engineer. 

[Steve]

as i've said, score is nothing to me. i like the fight. the fights i've repeatedly mentioned against the 80th guys have been the absolute most fun in a long time. they don't pick, they don't ho, they don't run away. they just fight. who needs score when ya can find that?

 aces high is my little retreat from reality. as for the scoring system, i still think htc has it set up as best as they can.

So why force your beliefs on other?
Grizz likes tracking score... why do you care if he likes that? Grizz wants to tweak the score system. If you don't care about score, why do you care what he wants to do with it?

[CAP1]

So why force your beliefs on other?
Grizz likes tracking score... why do you care if he likes that? Grizz wants to tweak the score system. If you don't care about score, why do you care what he wants to do with it?

mostly because i don't care for seeing things changed that don't need changing.

[grizz441]

CAP, it's not true the more you fly the better you rank...the Fm factor would approach 1 exponentially quickly as you begin to approach a reasonable number of sorties.  By the time you get to 40 Sorties, your Fm would be like 0.9-0.95 Which isnt a lot of sorties for a campaign.  By the time you get to 60 Sorties, your Fm will be 0.98, When you get to 2000 Sorties by flying 24 hours a day 24/7, your FM will be 0.999998.  So from 60 Sorties Flown to 2000 Sorties Flown you are increasing your rank by 2%.  A necessity for minimum missions has been explained over and over again by various people in the scoring system thread.  So instead of a simple rule like: You have to fly 30 missions a camp otherwise you aren't eligible to rank...this just penalizes your rank if you only flew like 15 sorties.  And lets be honest, if you only flew 15 sorties in a camp due to time constraints, do you really care what you ranked anyways?  Probably not, this tackles the problem of people milking the stats in that 'problematic range'

Yes there will always be ways to milk stats.  This is a fix on the easiest and most skillless way to milk stats.  Trust me folks, maintaining ridiculous ratios over 40 missions is FAR more difficult than 10 missions.

ALSO
When I give Fm examples, that's just my opinion on what reasonable sortie numbers are for a campaign.  I might be biased since i have more time to fly.  Perhaps 30 missions flown should be a Fm of like 0.97 or so.  But I hope some of you understand the concept and how good of an idea it is.

[CAP1]

CAP, it's not true the more you fly the better you rank...the Fm factor would approach 1 exponentially quickly as you begin to approach a reasonable number of sorties.  By the time you get to 40 Sorties, your Fm would be like 0.9-0.95 Which isnt a lot of sorties for a campaign.  By the time you get to 60 Sorties, your Fm will be 0.98, When you get to 2000 Sorties by flying 24 hours a day 24/7, your FM will be 0.999998.  So from 60 Sorties Flown to 2000 Sorties Flown you are increasing your rank by 2%.  A necessity for minimum missions has been explained over and over again by various people in the scoring system thread.  So instead of a simple rule like: You have to fly 30 missions a camp otherwise you aren't eligible to rank...this just penalizes your rank if you only flew like 15 sorties.  And lets be honest, if you only flew 15 sorties in a camp due to time constraints, do you really care what you ranked anyways?  Probably not, this tackles the problem of people milking the stats in that 'problematic range'

Yes there will always be ways to milk stats.  This is a fix on the easiest and most skillless way to milk stats.  Trust me folks, maintaining ridiculous ratios over 40 missions is FAR more difficult than 10 missions.

ok..i think i got what you're trying to say.

also......steve's previous question just made me think of a friend of mine that loves working on projects in microsoft word.
 it almost seems like you like trying to change/improve things in much the same way....so while i don't understand it, t's not my place to tell you to stop it either............soooo.....m y apologies for being so abrasive.......

[Steve]

mostly because i don't care for seeing things changed that don't need changing.

You've already said you don't care about score. Therefore, there's no way possible you could care about what Grizz wants to do.  Unless, you care about score.

[BaldEagl]

I care because I'm just a caring kind of guy.   

[CAP1]

I care because I'm just a caring kind of guy.   

[CAP1]

You've already said you don't care about score. Therefore, there's no way possible you could care about what Grizz wants to do.  Unless, you care about score.

yaknow.......sometimes you just seem like one of those internet toughguys that likes to have an argument

[Steve]

yaknow.......sometimes you just seem like one of those internet toughguys that likes to have an argument

That's one way to avoid my point. FAIL

[grizz441]

That's one way to avoid my point. FAIL

Steve pwns Cap

[CAP1]

Steve pwns Cap

can't "pwn" someone that isn't arguing.........