Windmills!

[rpm]

The Skystream 3.7 is the best small residential model available.

Oakranger. I'll guarantee you more birds are killed by aircraft than wind generators. You want to ground the planes, too?

[oakranger]

The Skystream 3.7 is the best small residential model available.

Oakranger. I'll guarantee you more birds are killed by aircraft than wind generators. You want to ground the planes, too?

i know that.  The wind towers just adds more deaths for the birds.

[rpm]

Sexual activity adds more birds to the environment.

It's the circle of life, Simba.

[oakranger]

if only you knew how high the mortality rate is for birds migrating.  Lets say that in one summer, you will have 1 billion new born (THAT IS A SMALL NUMBER).  From the day of their birth to there final migration destination, only 1% of that 1 billion new Born will make it.  This is concider a high mortality rate.  Over 200 yrs, it is estimate that 10-20% will survived in there first year of there lives.  Majority of the deaths are from man made objects, like the TV and radio towers.   It is believed that TV and radio towers kills over 10 million birds each year. 

[Denholm]

Did we miss something?

I work for Iberdrola. 39 percent of our overall output being produced by renewable sources, making us the largest wind energy operator in the world. (I am at a Natural Gas turbine plant) 

Bird strikes are a problem with lattice towers
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Because birds perch on the lattice work and then fly off into the rotor.  Most of these turbines are in the 250 kw range.

New turbines are 1.5 Mw and up, 80 meters to the hub and more, do not have lattice towers.
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The rotor rpm on these big rotors are much slower than the smaller turbines, and bird strikes are very rare.  We have a Audubon society crew that goes thru our farms, and last time I talked to one (in bay area CA) they hadn't found any harmed birds in several months.

As for electromagnetic interference, the field strength you get living on a farm around these towers is less than what you get from your TV set.

When the wind does not blow, that is when we have the natural gas turbines and (in the NW) Bonneville Dam.  When the wind does blow, we can fill the grid with carbon free power that does not cut up salmon.

[Maverick]

The bird death rate is the same as it has always been, one per bird.

Denholm, don't try to add logic and reality to the situation. It adds nothing to the emotional pap that make some SO happy to swill.

[oakranger]

The bird death rate is the same as it has always been, one per bird.

Denholm, don't try to add logic and reality to the situation. It adds nothing to the emotional pap that make some SO happy to swill.

Death rate has not been the same.  It has increased especially in the last century and half. 

[Hornet33]

Who cares about a bird getting killed by one of these things? The bird that does die is the stupid one anyway for flying with it's eyes closed. And it's not like a windmill or 1 million windmills is going to put even a small dent in the worlds bird populations.

Geez people that worry about stupid stuff like this are idiots. Here's what you do if your near a windmill and a bird runs into the thing and dies. Pick the bird up, skin it, cook it, and eat the thing. Now your getting free power and a free meal as well. Win, win for everyone.

[oakranger]

Who cares about a bird getting killed by one of these things? The bird that does die is the stupid one anyway for flying with it's eyes closed. And it's not like a windmill or 1 million windmills is going to put even a small dent in the worlds bird populations.

Geez people that worry about stupid stuff like this are idiots. Here's what you do if your near a windmill and a bird runs into the thing and dies. Pick the bird up, skin it, cook it, and eat the thing. Now your getting free power and a free meal as well. Win, win for everyone.

Yet, you have NO idea what kind of damages that can follow just from one species of bird disappearing do to human influence. In fact, you don't know a dam thing about the ecology and behavior of birds. 

Just fly away from this post.

[Hornet33]

Yet, you have NO idea what kind of damages that can follow just from one species of bird disappearing do to human influence. In fact, you don't know a dam thing about the ecology and behavior of birds. 

Just fly away from this post.

Sure I do. I study the migratory patterns of Canadian Geese, and ducks. Phesant, Dove, Quail. You really have to understand their patterns, eating habits, what sort of cover they like to hide in if your going to go blast them out of the sky with a shotgun so you can eat them for dinner.

I've been an avid bird hunter for 20 years. I probably kill more birds in a single year than 1000 windmills will kill in 10 years, so sorry if I don't break down and cry over some sparrow that gets whacked by a freaking turbine blade. The fact that you do actually makes me laugh rather hard. "Ohhhhh the poor wittle birdie )


Give me a break.

[oakranger]

Sure I do. I study the migratory patterns of Canadian Geese, and ducks. Phesant, Dove, Quail. You really have to understand their patterns, eating habits, what sort of cover they like to hide in if your going to go blast them out of the sky with a shotgun so you can eat them for dinner.

I've been an avid bird hunter for 20 years. I probably kill more birds in a single year than 1000 windmills will kill in 10 years, so sorry if I don't break down and cry over some sparrow that gets whacked by a freaking turbine blade. The fact that you do actually makes me laugh rather hard. "Ohhhhh the poor wittle birdie )



Give me a break.

I am talking about all species.  Not just game birds.  Now, if you kill more birds in a single year than 1000 windmills kill in ten years.  I am guessing that you kill over 1 million birds. WOW.  Once again you demistrated your lack of knowledge on the bird ecology and behavior.  geesh

[Maverick]

hey oaky,

Reading for comprehension would be something you ought to try. Go back and read my previous post. The bird death rate is exactly the same as it was for all time. One per bird.

[oakranger]

hey oaky,

Reading for comprehension would be something you ought to try. Go back and read my previous post. The bird death rate is exactly the same as it was for all time. One per bird.

I am lost.  Are you saying that the bird death rate has been the same for the past 200 yrs?

[Angus]

Getting back on track, - from birds, - those generators seem to be able to produce the KW for some 9 cents, as well as I understand, and that means by paying up the project in 4 years.
Not bad, if your powerbill is 9 cents pr KW anyway, so you have free electric (mostly, - there is maintenance perhaps) in 4 years.
Are these numbers right?
BTW, where I live (Iceland) the power cost seems to be similar (9 cents/Kw), but the wind speed is very much more as an average, so you'd have the generator running nicely

[oakranger]

The best source of FREE power is solar panels.  In fact, the newest solar energy is solar film.  Thin as paper, cheap to produce, make in mass production and as efficient as the paneles.  the best part of it is you can attache it on your roof, window, siding, and working on adding the element in paint.  it will save up you to 50% of energy cost