Windmills!

[vorticon]

I am lost.  Are you saying that the bird death rate has been the same for the past 200 yrs?

yes. 100% of everything born dies.

[rabbidrabbit]

The best source of FREE power is solar panels. 

So the panels, installation and maintainance is free?  Sweet!

[oakranger]

So the panels, installation and maintainance is free?  Sweet!

Well, in a short run it will cost you but in a long run it will pay it self off.

[rabbidrabbit]

maybe

[oakranger]

Maybe?!?

[hubsonfire]

I'll wager that cars and airplanes kill more birds than these towers. Add in cats, hawks, trains, electricity, weather, poison, and the natural aging process, and we've virtually guaranteed that 100% of all birds will be killed off within their lifetimes.

That is positively terrifying, isn't it?

Back on topic- I saw a couple of blades go by on railcars a few weeks back- the train was moving at just a couple MPH, and it took me a while to realize what they were- the pictures truly don't do them justice. They are just enormous. I haven't seen larger pieces of equipment outside of a steel mill. Very impressive.

[Chalenge]

I'll wager that cars and airplanes kill more birds than these towers. Add in cats, hawks, trains, electricity, weather, poison, and the natural aging process, and we've virtually guaranteed that 100% of all birds will be killed off within their lifetimes.

That is positively terrifying, isn't it?

Back on topic- I saw a couple of blades go by on railcars a few weeks back- the train was moving at just a couple MPH, and it took me a while to realize what they were- the pictures truly don't do them justice. They are just enormous. I haven't seen larger pieces of equipment outside of a steel mill. Very impressive.

Cars maybe but the majority of airplanes are usually in a bird strike zone for very little of their flight. Im not really worried about birds anyway but more concerned about a bunch of tree huggers and money grubbing politicians selling us a bill of goods.

[SKYGUNS]

I used to see em all the time when driving down through palm springs down here in California,
i used to think they were fans and called it the wind factory when i was small.
always thought they were smaller than they seemed but now with those pics, WOW
beautiful pictures

[oakranger]

If you drive on I-70, about 30 mins west of Salina, Ks. They are latterly right next to the highway.

[rabbidrabbit]

Maybe?!?

If you live in the north and its cloudy a lot... yes maybe.  Arizona?.. well, your prospects are much better.

[Angus]

The best source of FREE power is solar panels.  In fact, the newest solar energy is solar film.  Thin as paper, cheap to produce, make in mass production and as efficient as the paneles.  the best part of it is you can attache it on your roof, window, siding, and working on adding the element in paint.  it will save up you to 50% of energy cost

Where I live...no.
When most energy is needed, the daylight is down to 5 hrs...

[mipoikel]

My house needs aprox 25000/kwh/ year. It costs about 2350 eur.

Most of it goes for heating.

[Baitman]

My house needs aprox 25000/kwh/ year. It costs about 2350 eur.

Most of it goes for heating.

If you are using electricity then change over to a ground source heat pump (Geothermal). Some units have a COP of 4+ at this rate for every dollar you input you get four dollars heat.

[Angus]

Could you bring some more data on that?

[rabbidrabbit]

If you are thinking ground source heat pump you might want to check out an Acadia system instead.  Rumor has it that this air source HP is nearly as good as ground source ones.