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Offline glock89

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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2008, 09:10:39 PM »

Yup your sooooooooooooooooo right want some candy i got some in my van? Once again IM NOT HERE FOR MY DAMN POST COUNT.
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2008, 09:26:16 PM »
I think a WW1 scenario would be a great idea.  Playing Red Barron on the INN, Dawn of Aces, Red Barron 3D was a blast.  The operation of the planes was less complicated. The dogfights seemed to be more enjoyable because of the slower pace and the fact that the distance between you and your opponent was closer..... really intense fighting.  Ive flown some "jet" sims and it seems to me the speeds and alts or so great that you really don't see the enemy up close...which in turn makes the dogfighting less fun..... Thats not to say dogfighting  A-10 Warthogs wouldn't be fun...  :salute
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2008, 09:27:30 PM »
I think a WW1 scenario would be a great idea.  Playing Red Barron on the INN, Dawn of Aces, Red Barron 3D was a blast.  The operation of the planes was less complicated. The dogfights seemed to be more enjoyable because of the slower pace and the fact that the distance between you and your opponent was closer..... really intense fighting.  Ive flown some "jet" sims and it seems to me the speeds and alts or so great that you really don't see the enemy up close...which in turn makes the dogfighting less fun..... Thats not to say dogfighting  A-10 Warthogs wouldn't be fun...  :salute
Would be great to do problem if we add tanks how are we going to take them out without planes bombing them.  :uhoh
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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2008, 09:57:00 PM »
I think both WWI and Korea would have some appeal, but realistically, what are the odds either would happen in the near future, and how much would this delay plane updates, the terrain changes, developing the AI for scenario use, perked ordinance/weapons, and all of the other projects that have been mentioned?
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2008, 09:57:55 PM »
I think both WWI and Korea would have some appeal, but realistically, what are the odds either would happen in the near future, and how much would this delay plane updates, the terrain changes, developing the AI for scenario use, perked ordinance/weapons, and all of the other projects that have been mentioned?

But we get blimps.  :D
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2008, 10:42:59 PM »
Glock you dont have to respond to every post that calls or asks for something you dont like and then spam it to death. If you keep that up and enough people complain you wont be able to post at all. Just saying.
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2008, 11:58:17 PM »
Recently I've been rediscovering Red Baron 3D.

I bring this up because I've owned the game for about 10 years, but just recently, with a good stick, throttle, rudders, and TrackIR, have I really started enjoying this game.

Overwhelmingly, I've had two thoughts:  First- it is hard to find the AI challenging after 18 months of seasoning on Aces High.  That's not to say they can't put up a good fight; but, after fighting against unpredictable humans, the AI is just not comparable.  Second- I find that the margin of error is alot smaller, and the principles of AH2 are exaggerated (sp?).  Everything about the fight is closer in, and the tolerance of everything is smaller.  You can't pull as hard, you have to use rudder alot more, your guns are less effective, but the effectiveness of guns is more devastating, you have to hawk your speed alot more, the difference between the BnZ and TnB planes is more noticable...it's the same fight...but different.  1000 feet of altitude literally dictates the fight.

Same with Mig Alley.  The fights are different, but the same.  You're going faster, have speed to burn, but ultimately it's the same principles at work.  It is more work to get saddled.  But, the jets make the differences in speed way spread out.  You can have 200 knots overtake on an enemy and not notice it a mile out.  It's like Aces High at x2 accelerated speed.

Again, I'm no coader, but I have to think that once you've coaded the environment for the planes, it's a matter of dropping in a flight model, skin and 3d model.  None of this is reinventing the wheel like CT.  Should it be rushed in?  No.  But, I think we'd all be surprised at the attraction a WW1 and/or Korea arena got, even not being fleshed out with a full planeset.  Put in some F-86s and MiG-15s, open the arena, and I'll bet you'll see a following that sticks, if for no other reason than it's something new.
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2008, 12:26:36 AM »
... your guns are less effective, but the effectiveness of guns is more devastating...

What? Sorry I followed nearly everything else you said but this lost me.
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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2008, 08:15:15 AM »
Think he means the planes are not built as well. Wood, & canvas don't take much to break.

Guns are not as effective as WWII .50's and 20mm's. But they don't need to be either.

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Re: Korea? WW1?
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2008, 11:46:28 AM »
Think he means the planes are not built as well. Wood, & canvas don't take much to break.

Guns are not as effective as WWII .50's and 20mm's. But they don't need to be either.
Most of them were on top of the biplanes wings i think.
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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2008, 12:11:46 PM »
Most of them were on top of the biplanes wings i think.

Uh... no.  Most of them were upper cowl mounted directly in front of the pilot.

[EDIT]  Note the gun mount position on this Sopwith Camel:

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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2008, 12:13:04 PM »
Uh... no.  Most of them were upper cowl mounted directly in front of the pilot.
Must been with the early war planes sorry abut that.
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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2008, 12:54:42 PM »
WWI evil con mission plane already designated.


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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2008, 04:35:30 PM »
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