The Ethics of ditching-do you-or don't you

[SwampRat]

 

Originally posted by TheWobble:
ya know ya hear people squeak about "gaming the game" as they call it all the time.  Things like sitting up in yer seat to get a better view is "gaming the game" and other retarded crap like that...Im suprised they havent burned crosses on this.   I personally think you sell the game short by flying to the action and when yer out of bullets or lose yer rudder just slamming into the ground so you can re-up quicker..actually i think thats stupid.  As a FLIGHT SIM part of the FLIGHT should be LIVING THROUGH IT.

I agree Wobble.  Primarily, I always "try" to get home, sometimes I can't, often I don't, but always I try.  I will however auger in order to get in on a mission.  There is only one other time I will auger on purpose, and thats when I've been working my butt off to stay alive...have a horde of bad guyz on my tail, I'm actually thinking I'll get away and then see some drooling boomer screaming down from ungodly altitude looking for the easy kill.  Yes... I crash on purpose and smile knowing I've robbed someone thier altitude AND a kill. Hey..I'm dead anyway right? haha.
Swamp

[TheWobble]

 

I crash on purpose and smile knowing I've robbed someone thier altitude AND a kill.

ohhh you evil evil man,  who you fly for? some bish p-51 did that to me earlier today, i was in my 38 at around 20k looking for some buffs headed for a36 and i say a lone 51 about 10 k below me, as soon as i started my downward flight (gotta be careful witht the 38) he went nose down and BOOM!, he might have oversped but he was only at about 10k so i doubt it...little bugger.  

[hblair]

Zigrat: mission rolls in 2 minutes

hblair: rgr, rtb now

zigrat: mission rolls in 1 minute

hblair: hmmmm

<hblair puts 109's nose down, engages WEP, and makes a big arsed smokin hole in the ground, joins mission.  >

I gotta stop doing this stuff though  

[stegor]

The fact: everyone pays to play AH (not the same amount for all, ehhhmm, but this is another story ..     ), so everyone can say, "i fly as i like".
Despite this, i'm asking:  i like to play and think of a realistic simulation, my goal is to kill enemy planes, and conquer enemy fields,but my real goal is to come back home with my fighter, if i can; this way only i can feel that my sweep has been succesfull even if i havent manage to do a kill (please restrict this to MA ,and not to Scenarios, to prevent flaming)
I know many of you think  this way  
Who likes upping and shooting, who likes dogfithing only, who ditches or bails to reup faster when damaged , IMHO has not fully realized the spirit of the game in MA, that is going in a more strategical direction (or should be??)  
Wouldnt be better use H2H arena, ladder ,and other "dogfigthing only games or arenas"for this purpouse???

RFF



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Stefano  "Nibbio"
4°Stormo CT "F.Baracca"

[Kirin]

I fly to live - well I at least I try...  

Not much in AH can beat the feeling of sucessfully landing a multikill sortie with your squad in formation.  

Building up more and more gliding experience in the 190 - tend to stay a tad too long...   But hey, with our current E modelling you can glide sectors!!! Waiting for HT to include thermal upstreams...

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~Kirin~
 

[This message has been edited by Kirin (edited 03-03-2001).]

[Duckwing6]

Fly to live , when shot to hell still fly to live so i'll always try to make it as far back to friendly lines / base as possible and ditch if i can't keep her airborne till i'm home.

As Kirin said sucessfull landing makes a sortie a LOT betetr  

[Ice]

There's no place like home

[dolomite]

Wow, most people here seem to get it, though a few apparently don't.

These games are about fun. They are about this games ability to create a small cacoon we wrap around ourselves for a few fleeting moments, where we forget the rest of the world and its problems for a little while. They are a release from our dull lives. They release the "Walter Mitty" in us. They let us live our fantasy historical lives. They are about putting us in a place where, in our small part of the universe we are in charge. They are all that and more, and for that reason you are going to have a vastly different opinion on what is "right or wrong" or even "how the game should be played". I laugh to myself anytime I read someone say something like "man, those dweebs that do XXXX just don't get it, they should play the way it REALLY should be done!"

Seems to me that, so long as they are playing within the rules of the game and are having a good time they ARE playing the game the right way.  

[Wingnut_0]

There's been a few times I've lost my temper over something and continued to up a bomber trying to get that 1 magick shot in on the C47  but...

in a fighter I never go into something thinking what the hell i can re-up.  I always try to land or get that extra yardage out of a damaged plane.  

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Wingnut
Luftjagerkorps
 

The quality of the box matters little.  Success depends upon the man who sits in it  -  Baron Manfred von Richthofen

[This message has been edited by Wingnut_0 (edited 03-03-2001).]

[Cobra]

Ethics?......We don't need no stinking Ethics!

Cobra  

[lazs]

wobble...RTB is gaming the game to me.  What, you deserve 'points' for time wasted?   I land if the field is close since landing is the fastest way down without giving someone a kill by augering when I've allready been hit.  I NEVER bail... There is a real wussy gaming the game move.... Skew your K/D ratio by a wussy bail?   ditching can be fun tho and i try to do it when I'm out of fuel or ammo and a long way from home (after taking a few pings).   I allways try to ditch to deny the other guy the kill.

If I am all alone and unhurt and a long way from home I either auger or alt f4  out.   I auger if i think there may be some action somewhere else and alt f4 out if the whole map is boring.

it's quite simple really.
lazs

[anRky]

I fight 'till my tanks are dry (usually even if I have no ammo), then, if there are still enemy trying to shoot me down, I fight on until I can't possibly fly any more, *then* I'll try to ditch.

Unless there are no enemy planes around.  In that case I'll just auger.

anRky
-Ih8ubb

[iculus]

Nothing like rolling a B-17 into a vehicle field when low on fuel... Check out the expression on the M3 driver's face!

<S>IC

[Mathman]

I fly and fight till I die (to see this, all you have to do is check my stats 300+ kills, 300+ deaths  )

Sometimes I will try and RTB, but I am paying to fight, not fly, so I will fly till I die or crash.

-math

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-Ens. W.B. "Spider" Webb during the Marians Turkey Shoot

[wolf37]

you mean we are allowed to RTB, danm, 18 months and nobody told me this before.



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