Author Topic: The Ethics of ditching-do you-or don't you (Read 2041 times)

paintmaw · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2001, 09:19:00 PM »

just try not to give up a kill , or die ,
ALL HIPPIES AREN"T COMMIE SOCIALISTS

DRILL · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2001, 10:28:00 PM »

GOOD QUESTION

hmmmmm .>>>> SIPS DRINKS GOTgot to think on that 1 >>>takes another sip

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DRILL
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Spooky67 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 04, 2001, 08:08:00 AM »

Landing safely a beat-up yak (no gear- no flaps- half a wing blown off) on the runway after evading several enemies was the most rewarding thing I did last tour

Flew through a whole grid just trying too keep it level ...
...really got sweaty palms on that flight...

I was glad to see the "you landed safely" message ! even better than shooting my pal Camo !

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Mark Luper · « **Reply #33 on:** March 04, 2001, 08:40:00 AM »

Everybody has their way of playing the game. If it's within the capabilities of the game then go for it.

I get my thrills RTB'ing. To me that is half the satisfaction of the flight. To get a kill and not return isn't as much a thrill to me as an assist with an RTB.

I don't really think it's a matter of ethics, it is a matter of what is important to the individual playing the game (sim). Everyone pays his money and as long as what they do does not interfere with the capabilities of someone else doing their thing then why does it matter?

The guys in the squad I fly with try to rtb. When the 'ole jug won't fly anymore we try to ditch it. We have augered on occasion to enable us to join a mission.

Glasses · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »

Well Paint in UPR the state university here in PR all you see are White beautiful girl,hippies and commies all around maybe because they're all blonde....

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Tis not important how one goes,but who goes with you.

Hans · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2001, 10:13:00 PM »

The only time I auger is when I see a suspicious radar blip slowly moving thru a quiet area. Bomber incomming. I hate those freebie mission bombers and will up a Me109G10 with gun pods and time is precious.

Otherwise, I will be dammed if I don't try to RTB or ditch. I don't want anybody to get a kill or assist off me. You will have to earn your score.

This is why I also like the perk plane system. You get extra points for landing, and they get none if you live to ditch or RTB. There is a reason to live.

Hans.

SKurj · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2001, 10:40:00 PM »

RTB when i can, never ditch unless i'm in a gv. Auger... i've done it on purpose once or twice when the call for an m3 or goon has fallen on deaf ears.

SKurj

Pepe · « **Reply #37 on:** March 05, 2001, 02:26:00 AM »

What Fatty & hblair said.

Cheers,

Pepe

dolomite · « **Reply #38 on:** March 05, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »

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This is why I also like the perk plane system. You get extra points for landing, and they get none if you live to ditch or RTB. There is a reason to live.

Yup, my last sortie last night was a whopping 3.6 points or so- RTB'd after 6 kills. The sortie before I had killed 4, got maybe 2+ points, despite ditching. I'll be in an AR234 in no time!

Soulyss · « **Reply #39 on:** March 05, 2001, 03:42:00 PM »

Try to make it back? yes
actually manage to? no

Hedgehog · « **Reply #40 on:** March 05, 2001, 04:03:00 PM »

This was an enjoyable thread to read.

I guess I had a lot of problems with this question for a while. But people here have summed up why the answer is clear to me now.

AH is not a sim. It's a game.

Because it's not a sim, everyone has fun playing it as the like - some rtb, while others crash the plane into the ground on purpose.

Anyone who does auger like this must have a clear mind about AH being a game - you play by the rules of the game and that's it. What's funny is when people fly this way, then advocate AH as some "serious sim". If it was, there would be a huge penalty for intentional augering. Heck - even damaging equipment for no reason should get you a court-martial.

The problem is when someone wants to think about AH as more than a game. When you do this, it's easy to get confused really quickly - not just from the auger standpoint, but from many other aspects as well.

Personally, I find that flying the Falcon 4 campaign, coop with squaddies, a lot more satisfying "as a sim", since it is mission-based by nature, has no labels, is on a realistic map, has two "sides" in the war, etc. etc. Even ejecting out of an undamaged plane for no reason can get you busted!

AH could be a more faitful from a sim standpoint, but it's not because people in general don't want it that way (myself excluded).

anRky · « **Reply #41 on:** March 05, 2001, 04:51:00 PM »

Hedgehog wrote:
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Anyone who does auger like this must have a clear mind about AH being a game - you play by the rules of the game and that's it. What's funny is when people fly this way, then advocate AH as some "serious sim". If it was, there would be a huge penalty for intentional augering. Heck - even damaging equipment for no reason should get you a court-martial.
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Speaking as one who always augers when nothing's going on, shoots friendly planes when he's bored, turnfights his Jug on the deck with every n1k he sees, tries to ram enemy planes when he's outta ammo, and generally does every thing he can *not* to land his plane.....

There is no way for me to take the arena seriously unless it's as a place to practice. The landgrab game is pointless. Flying around in a squad, ganging up on lone enemy planes or taking poorly defended bases is boring.

Scenarios, however, are where a game like AH does give me the same sense of air combat that I get from reading books on the subject. Scenarios are the reason for practicing in the arena. The mistaken assumption that once Afrika ran, scenarios would really take off in AH is why I'm here. Forlorn hope that there really is another scenario coming in the not-too-far future is why I haven't left. From your post, Hedgehog, I think you'd enjoy scenario play much more than arena play.

Disclaimer: I've never actually flown in an AH scenario, but have flown in many AW scenarios. I can only imagine, with the many features AH has over AW, how great a scenario would be here.

anRky
-Ih8ubb

lazs · « **Reply #42 on:** March 05, 2001, 05:19:00 PM »

anarky.. I agree that you should be able to do as you please in the main and that the land grab thing is pointless. I have also fought you before and found that they were some very fun fites. Be glad to fite you anytime.

I do disagree about the squad thing tho for this reason... I fly in a "fun" squad.. Not at all serious. No land grab asperations, just find the biggest furball and try to survive as long as u can while killing everything you can... It is really fun for me to see another 3or 5 gold icons and all be on Roger wilco in a huge melee with everyone talking at once... It does give me the sense of the kind of WWII combat in melees that I have read about.
lazs

anRky · « **Reply #43 on:** March 05, 2001, 08:49:00 PM »

lazs wrote:
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I do disagree about the squad thing tho ...
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Sorry lazs, I didn't mean to imply that all squads acted like that. Since I've been here, I've only gotten familiar with a few squads. A couple come to mind that seem to be the types that just like to hang out together and have a good time in the arena doing whatever, and a few others appear to me to be the types that only care about kills, points, and 'winning' the war. Most squads I don't know well enough to even comment on.

What makes me disrespectful of squads that I run across in the arena is when I come across them alone. If they'd engage a couple at a time--show some skill, but also some restraint and discipline--I could get a good fight, and someone could get a kill. But mostly I get five or more, all trying to beat each other to the kill, none wanting to fight; all wanting to pad their score with a no-risk kill.

And not only is this type of behavior the norm in the arena, the very nature of the landgrab arena encourages this behavoir. To have a good chance of getting a goon to a base, you've got to have complete air superiority. To me, that means having no one to fight, and gangbanging anyone who shows up. In other words, boredom.

All I want from arena play is to find a few good fights without too much sightseeing.

anRky
-Ih8ubb

Hedgehog · « **Reply #44 on:** March 06, 2001, 01:35:00 AM »

Oh - yeah - I do like scenarios. I flew in Afrika Corps. I like mission-oriented flights in the main arena as well.

I can recall one week in Afrika Corps, where I flew welded to CavemanJ's wing for over 2 1/2 hours, then spent the last 10 minutes in a gut-wrenching furball. That was fantastic.

One major disappointment about Afrika Corps though was the last day. The Allies picked some remote target to hit, because, as I was told, they could win on points. That seemed lame, and ruined the simulation.

Well, it's a journey, not a destination.

=Hedgehog
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