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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2008, 03:14:15 PM »
hehe 5 secs huh? picking me while I'm ontop of the loops in the rolling scissors vs 2 spit 5 in a 152 doesn't count as fighting. It's true I usually try not to tnb Dora, I do sometime when I'm bored but usually I don't do it.

Wrong, I was co alt and flew behind you before easily pulling the trigger at less than 100.   Why would someone like yourself "US Army", feel the need to LIE?   Answer us that one.   

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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2008, 03:37:53 PM »
Just watched the film. Nice pick Steve, he didn't even see you  :lol
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2008, 03:41:33 PM »
Ya, did you kill them  regardless of what they did?  Comparable starting E states. You are beginning to sound like a person who feels he cannot be beat by anyone.

That is because you are now allowing irrational thoughts and common sense to be overridden by something else.  You obviously don't know me, as well as I know you.    Sad.   I never made that claim.   You "made it for me".    As for them, sure I've beaten them, but they've beaten me.   That's the way this game works Steve.   
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2008, 03:57:48 PM »
That is because you are now allowing irrational thoughts and common sense to be overridden by something else.  You obviously don't know me, as well as I know you.    Sad.   I never made that claim.   You "made it for me".    As for them, sure I've beaten them, but they've beaten me.   That's the way this game works Steve.   

Uhhh OK. You said you kill them "no matter what they do".  You made that claim, not me.  Frankly, I must not know you like I thought I did. Your post in here seems full of braggadicio and pride. I find these traits distasteful, which is why Skyrock and I often clash, in spite of my fondness for him.
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2008, 04:05:00 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2008, 04:06:20 PM »
Uhhh OK. You said you kill them "no matter what they do".  You made that claim, not me.  Frankly, I must not know you like I thought I did. Your post in here seems full of braggadicio and pride. I find these traits distasteful, which is why Skyrock and I often clash, in spite of my fondness for him.

Sure I said and I stand behind the fact that they ARE the "easiest kills for me to get".   I rarely pick, let alone 8k and have historically had the success against them.   Am I going to encounter Mtnman, AKChrispy (you forgot him), Sabre, AKDogg (ask him what a Ki-61 with less alt and misjudged E can do to his Hog, I've met him) every fight?   Hell no, will I wince, whine and whimper to the forum thumping my chest?  

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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2008, 04:21:14 PM »
to the forum thumping my chest?  


Well, like I said, this is the way I interpreted your words. Seemed out of character but then you said I obviously don't know you so I don't know what to think.
 
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »
why would I lie ^_^ we even had an arguement on that and I had to post something on it before. Something about lag could mess up who is the one that does teh collision if I remember correctly. I forgot whot he other 2 were though, was you me and 2 other biship?
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2008, 06:52:17 PM »
Just watched the film. Nice pick Steve, he didn't even see you  :lol


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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2008, 07:08:49 PM »
lol yea seriously it was a nice shot too =/
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2008, 01:15:41 AM »
lol yea seriously it was a nice shot too =/

I don't think he missed you with a single round.  :)
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2008, 01:13:36 PM »
I'm beginning to hate F4U's.  They are the uber plane of the game.  My only two deaths last night both came from F4U's (well... almost).

And the Spit16 isn't the uber plane of the game?  :rofl

As uber and lame as the F4U is post it's last patch, the Spit16 still walks away with the non perk ride uber award.

And no the F4U zeke isn't an exaggeration, nothing else can roll and float about like a zeke at extreme low speeds other then a F4U which is ridiculous for a aircraft of it's size and weight.


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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2008, 02:23:39 PM »
And the Spit16 isn't the uber plane of the game?  :rofl

As uber and lame as the F4U is post it's last patch, the Spit16 still walks away with the non perk ride uber award.

And no the F4U zeke isn't an exaggeration, nothing else can roll and float about like a zeke at extreme low speeds other then a F4U which is ridiculous for a aircraft of it's size and weight.


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Sorry, my "silly poster" meter is blinking on this one...

For the record, the F4U CAN out-turn the Zeke.  But only if the Zeke is too fast for his own good.  Slow turning with a well-flown Zeke in an F4U is silly.  The F4U may perform too well in slow flight, but it still can't compete with the Zeke.  Zeke enjoys a 20% turn radius advantage (significant, in my eyes) has better acceleration, etc...

To think I'd will employ the same tactics for fighting a Zeke or Hurri as for fighting a Yak, Pony, 109, is nuts, or mis-informed.

To compare the performance of the F4U to an A6M immediately causes me to question the credibility (in my eyes at least) of the poster- sorry.  I fly the F4U quite a bit, and can't get it to fly like I can get a Zeke to fly (maybe if I work at it a bit more???)

For the record (again) I don't claim the F4U FM is necessarily correct (or any other plane, for that matter).  I have no way of knowing.  I do know that under some pretty intense scrutiny, nobody could point a definitive finger at what was wrong with it, and back it with any real data.  I personally have my doubts (but again, don't really know, and don't know how to prove one way or the other) that torque effects are too weak (for all planes?)  Without anything concrete to present, these arguments are little more than witch-hunts (IMO).  Could any plane in the set withstand similar scrutiny?

Blaming your success/failure on your opponents choice of plane is lame (IMO).  They all have strengths/weaknesses and all can be beat.  Almost every single "decent" fight I get into is decided in the end by tactics, rather than by plane choice.  To blame the outcomes on plane choice is the easy route, and won't help anyone improve. 

I fly the F4U because it's the F4U.  Personally, I have little/no interest in the vast majority of the other planes, both past and present.  I don't fly it because I like/dislike the FM, and I'd still fly "only" the F4U if the FM was changed.  I think Steve feels the same about the P51.  Steve is a tough cookie in the pony.  It's about all I can do to dodge his attacks when we meet, let alone come out on top.  The same can be said about many others.

Quite honestly, my 9 year old does well enough flying offline to make me suspect all the planes are too forgiving.  Which of the planes in AH should he be able to fly with 5 minutes of instruction, barely able to reach the rudder pedals, and little/no understanding of the physics and tactics involved?  (He's good at belly landing, since he doesn't need the rudder for that, hehe)  I'm sure he'd be easy pickings for the majority of players in the MA, simply because of his lack of tactical knowledge and SA (even in the F4U).  Of course, he'd be flying the same F4U as me, with the same PC, connection, joystick/pedals, distractions, carpet, and computer desk as me.  That might lead me to believe tactics and SA are more important components to success than the FM is, even in the F4UZeke...

Maybe that would be the ultimate test!

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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2008, 02:27:29 PM »
BTW, I'm not saying witch-hunts are without substance or value.  I for one feel safer as a result of all the stake-burnings throughout history.  Do we even have any witches left?
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Re: omg steve lookie I can make the 51 sing kinda !
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2008, 03:17:13 PM »
Gixer didn't neccessarily say it outturns the zero- just that it has zero like qualities, which in fairness it does.  The turning circle of an f4u with full flaps out is very similar to that of an a6m5 and smaller than a spit 1 (without flaps deployed), according to gonzo's charts.  I don't think it's much of an exaggeration to say the f4u is zeke like, given it's small turning circle in addition to it's rock steady stability at low airspeeds.

From my own AH experience the moment i see an f4u deploy it's flaps i generally try to E fight it regardless of what i'm flying because it is so deadly at low speeds.

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