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[Babalonian]

Pardon me from going off topic in this post. 

well im glad this post is being used as a freakin argument page but thats besides the point

if anyones wondering what a He111Z is its 2 He111s connected by a 5th engine

Dude... that sounds like the wackiest plane ever... we so need it!

[glock89]

It was only use for the Me-323 to tow it on take off i believe. 

[Babalonian]

I was wondering that earlier too, but while looking at some of the pictures I found one in particular that was related to that question.  Cool, I found it again.

Exhibit A:

Looks like open bomb bay doors to me... that or the pilots really needed to compensate for something.

Here is another variation, and one of the above pictures has one too, I'm thinking drop tanks.


And If I'm translating this spanish I'm reading on this spanish site correctly and assuming it's accurate (http://www.machtres.com/he111z.htm), only 2 He111 prototypes were constructed, only 10 He111-1 models were produced, and a He111-2 model was a bomber version that was never constructed... leading me to assume the He111-1 models were not constructed for bombing purposes.

[glock89]

I was wondering that earlier too, but while looking at some of the pictures I found one in particular that was related to that question.  Cool, I found it again.

Exhibit A:
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Looks like open bomb bay doors to me... that or the pilots really needed to compensate for something.

This is a similar shot at a similar angle, I can't think of what else it could be, and open bomb bay doors usually mean they're dropping something out of it.
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It could be there poo?

[zuii]

fw187 3-9 production models made. (thats what i find and i aint that smart)

interesting craft but did this thing enter service?



zuii

[Babalonian]

Edited my last post, you guys are too fast.

[Motherland]

fw187 3-9 production models made. (thats what i find and i aint that smart)

interesting craft but did this thing enter service?



zuii

No, nor did the He-100 (which was competing with the 109, and, of course, lost), or the He112 in significant numbers.

[glock89]

Edited my last post, you guys are too fast.

Oops sorry about that. 

[Ack-Ack]

It could be there poo?

Gee...what a surprise!  Another insightful post that brings so much to the topic at hand.  WTG Champ!


ack-ack

[glock89]

Gee...what a surprise!  Another insightful post that brings so much to the topic at hand.  WTG Champ!


ack-ack

I know and yet your still a bellybutton every time you talk good job champ here your cookie.

[ERyan]

u r wrong there the FW 187 in fact did enter service with the main task of defending the focke wulf factory

and thank u for the pictures of the He111Z it was helpful for the non believers

[Ack-Ack]

u r wrong there the FW 187 in fact did enter service with the main task of defending the focke wulf factory

and thank u for the pictures of the He111Z it was helpful for the non believers

The FW 187 never entered into service with the Luftwaffe, wasn't even a plane in their inventory. 

The FW 187 never progressed beyond the prototype stage.  Only 9 were made and of those that saw any action were 3 that were used by FW test pilots to defend a FW factory and despite the Nazi propoganda, there is not one verifiable claim that the FW test pilots scored any kills in the FW 187.  An additional 3 more were flown to Norway in another propoganda stunt to show the FW 187 had entered into service to replace the Bf 110.  However, it was already decided prior to this propoganda stunt that the FW 187 was rejected by the Luftwaffer due to a lack of interest in the plane and the feeling that existing operational planes could do the same job that the FW 187 was intended for.

The FW 187 never saw operational service with the Luftwaffer in any numbers so it automatically disqualifies itself to be added to the game.


ack-ack

[ERyan]

im looking at a book right now that says like u said only a few were produced but they were actually put in the air to defend the factory.   i dont how it disqualifies it from being in the game. wouldnt u want a unique plane in the game for example the p59 airacomet did actually see combat service in berlin in the final stages of the war. but some records show it did.  but those are overided when u read and see flight reports both allied and axis that state the plane in a small squadron enter the field of battle.  also when there are numerous pictures of these planes in combat u must wonder are these records wrong?  in conclusion i have read numorous books and flight reports hat show that a small amount o these planes did see active service 

[Ack-Ack]

im looking at a book right now that says like u said only a few were produced but they were actually put in the air to defend the factory.   i dont how it disqualifies it from being in the game.

There is criteria set by HTC for which planes can and cannot be added to the game.  Airplanes that didn't see operational service are planes that won't be added to the game.  The FW 187 never saw operational service with any Luftwaffe unit, it wasn't even a plane in the Luftwaffe inventory.  That alone disqualifies it from being added to the game.

wouldnt u want a unique plane in the game for example the p59 airacomet did actually see combat service in berlin in the final stages of the war. but some records show it did.  but those are overided when u read and see flight reports both allied and axis that state the plane in a small squadron enter the field of battle.  also when there are numerous pictures of these planes in combat u must wonder are these records wrong?  in conclusion i have read numorous books and flight reports hat show that a small amount o these planes did see active service 

P-59 never saw any combat service nor was it ever fielded in any combat theater.  In 1943, after repeated tests flights had shown the P-59 to be less than a mediocre aircraft (piston powered planes like the P-51D were able to out perform the Airacomet), the USAAF realized that the P-59 would never be improved sufficiently or quickly enough to be worthy of consideration as an operational combat type.  As a result, the P-59 was relegated to the operation training role.

Yes, I would like to see unique planes in the game provided they meet the established criteria set by HTC for adding new planes.


ack-ack

[Babalonian]

There is criteria set by HTC for which planes can and cannot be added to the game.  Airplanes that didn't see operational service are planes that won't be added to the game.  The FW 187 never saw operational service with any Luftwaffe unit, it wasn't even a plane in the Luftwaffe inventory.  That alone disqualifies it from being added to the game.



P-59 never saw any combat service nor was it ever fielded in any combat theater.  In 1943, after repeated tests flights had shown the P-59 to be less than a mediocre aircraft (piston powered planes like the P-51D were able to out perform the Airacomet), the USAAF realized that the P-59 would never be improved sufficiently or quickly enough to be worthy of consideration as an operational combat type.  As a result, the P-59 was relegated to the operation training role.

Yes, I would like to see unique planes in the game provided they meet the established criteria set by HTC for adding new planes.


ack-ack

Ack ack, I think you need to look at the "spirit of the criteria" and less at following it word for word down to a 'T'.  The spirit of this criteria/rule/law is that HTC doesn't want any planes in their sky that the oposing side (axis/allied) never actualy engaged in combat with, and there are plenty of examples of aircraft that fit this description and will never be added.  However, in the case of the FW187, it was suposedly encountered by the enemy, I think this is one of those situations where it could actualy qualify.  Yes, it never was officialy adopted or put to work in the name of the Luftwaffe, but it did encounter allied aircraft over Germany.

It's so on the border, word for word it shouldn't be allowed by HTC's criteria (I agree it doesn't have to be, it was in the sky but no proof of casualties/damage inflicted/taken, but if there is then that's another thing), but due to actual events that took place during WWII and interpreting that in the spirit of HTC's criteria... well I think unless you are HTC yourself you really don't know and are just slaping down a fellow player's idea while talking out your ass.