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Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »
plus an air to air  gun kill hasn't been made since vietnam and only 1 of them happened anyway
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Back in the 1st Gulf War, an A-10 shot down an Iraqi Hind with its 30mm cannon.


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Re: Modern?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 01:39:06 PM »
Rather than modern - how about a fantasy 1946 arena? Maybe HTC could charge a little extra for it too.

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 01:42:11 PM »
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Re: Modern?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2008, 02:06:27 PM »
The air war die after the Vietnam war.  :(
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Re: Modern?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2008, 02:14:44 PM »
WWI

Would be waaaay more fun.

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2008, 03:24:54 PM »
i'm intrigued by the EF-111A kill - did he fry the Mirages electronics?

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2008, 04:28:43 PM »
Back in the 1st Gulf War, an A-10 shot down an Iraqi Hind with its 30mm cannon.


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Re: Modern?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2008, 05:26:26 PM »
Ouch for the Hind...

I don't think they felt it.  I remember seeing the interview with the A-10 pilot about the shoot down.  He said he fired a short burst and the helicopter was no longer there.


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Re: Modern?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2008, 05:42:20 PM »
I don't think they felt it.  I remember seeing the interview with the A-10 pilot about the shoot down.  He said he fired a short burst and the helicopter was no longer there.


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lol short burst from that thing equals just how many rounds?
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2008, 06:30:52 PM »
lol short burst from that thing equals just how many rounds?

IIRC, the pilot said a short burst of around 30 rounds, so a half second burst?

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2008, 06:44:19 PM »
From
Clashes: Air Combat Over North Vietnam, 1965-1972 by Marshall L. Michel

"A post-Rolling Thunder official report observed that U.S. guns and missiles essentially had the same low effectiveness in kills-per-firing-attempt - about 13 percent - but the report was somewhat deceptive; in many ways scorned as an air-to-air weapon before the war, the cannon proved very effective.  The F-105 scored 20 confirmed gun kills, including two head-on kills, in about 140 gun attacks.  Because of the difficulty of setting up the gun sight, about 100 F-105 gun attacks were made without the aid of a computing air-to-air sight, producing about 10 kills, for a success ratio of about 10 percent.  The F-105s made about 40 gun attacks with the sight in the air-to-air mode, also producing 10 kills for a success rate of about 25%."

You may be interested to know that gun training has far from disappeared from the syllabus.  At an exercise I was involved in just a couple of years ago, I observed (with awe) what happened when 2 F-18s bounced an 8 ship of bomb carts.  It was simply calls of "guns guns guns" for about a minute and then right at the end a couple of "fox 2s".  The kill-removal stream was a conga line.  They claimed, and were awarded, all 8 at the debrief.

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2008, 01:25:04 PM »
Well, i can see all of your points, but look at it this way. A F-16 fighting falcon can only carry somthing like 10 missles and you cant kill somthing more than 3 miles away anyway.  I have played all of those games but they get boreing because they aint against real people.  And im sure aces high would make it harder than "Beep beep....boom!"  If you walk up to a member of the airforce and say that.....they wont be happy :)  it still takes alot of skill, and yeah, WWII was the golden age of dogfighting but todays is justas golden.  I think AHII Rocks, this was just a suggestion.

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2008, 01:32:17 PM »
The only reason that modern wars lack aerial fights is because our enemy's air forces suck total ass. Now, if we went DIRECTLY against Russia or China.... There would be a nice air war in that conflict, I guarantee you that... Then, we'd be fighting against skilled adversaries with sufficient numbers of high-tech fighters (instead of MiG-21's for a change) to give us a challenge. You'd see that modern air combat COULD be just as lively as past air wars, but it isn't, because there aren't enough enemy fighters to pose a threat.

That, and they're not very good at it, either.
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Re: Modern?
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2008, 05:52:15 PM »
Yeah!  And then, like, we could get Tai Fighters and, like, X-Wing fighters and Death Stars!

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Re: Modern?
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2008, 06:14:23 PM »
I have a great idea for AH3, Star Wars :rofl 

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