Self Propelled Artilery

[CAVPFCDD]

I thought some self propelled artilery for town killing would be cool, it would be nice to have some power close to that of a cv in a land locked area. Just a thought, feed back is appreciated.

The German Hummel with 150mm howitzer



American 155mm howitzer


American 105mm


British Bishop


Soviet BM-13 "Katuysha"



Japanese Ha-to (300mm!!)


Japanese Ho-Ro 150mm


Like i said just a thought, but i thought it might add a new tactic and dynamic to the game

[ERyan]

short and simple i think it would be and awesome idea i was hoping someone would add japanese tank to the picture

if it wouldnt be to much trouble would u mind taking a look at my wishlist forum  "new list"

[Ack-Ack]

LVT4 is the closest thing we have to mobile artillery with a short-barreled 75mm howitzer.


ak-ack

[theNewB]

Ill take those japanese ones for sure, ill add another to the list aswell 75mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M8 based off the stuart tank with a short barrel howie in an open topped turret, maybe not the best choice but it would work for a fast, somewhat protected SPG to hit towns and much much better then usuing an LVTA4 for our only SPG out there. armour isnt the best at 44.5mm at max and loading is pretty good at 46 rnds and speed was around 55km/h so nothing an M8 Grayhound scout car cant deal with. Not sure on numbers but i bet they were significant enough to be added into AH,

[hubsonfire]

I can't believe no one has thought of this before.

[CAVPFCDD]

I know right, i always thought that having a cv to shell town or base was such an advantage and when there isnt water on a map or water near to a base, that there should be something at least similar to bring that dynamic and tactic back into the game.

[Rich46yo]

short and simple i think it would be and awesome idea i was hoping someone would add japanese tank to the picture

Ill take those japanese ones for sure,

Can you imagine upping one of those pathetic Jap tanks and charging into battle again Tigers, Panzers, T-34s, Fire Flys?

Because I sure cant.

WW2 Japanese tanks, and tank operations, were rife with failures, screwups, lousy production and design, lousy guns and armor, lousy upkeep, and incredibly poor use of doctrine. The fact is the saki drenched screwballs running the Japanese army thought tanks were un manly and preferred their troops died like men charging machine guns.

A forgotten battle by many today was battle of Khalkhin-Gol . It was a border skirmish that almost ignited an entire war between Japan and the Soviet Union and it happened right before the Germans invaded Poland in 1939. During the battle an entire Japanese army was destroyed including an entire mechanized brigade of Japanese armor using type 95, type 89a & b, and type 97 tanks. The Soviets used mainly T-26 tanks themselves which were armed with 37mm guns.

Probably the best the Japanese had was the later versions of the type 97 which had a high velocity 47mm cannon. But it only had a 33mm maximum armor thickness where'as even our crummy little M5A1 General Stuart had a 51mm max armor thickness, was far faster, and was at least comparably gunned. I'd bet the type 97 in Aces High would get slaughtered by M8s, wirbels, Osties, LVTs, 20mm cannon airplanes, and even 0.50s might penetrate their top armor if modeled correctly. So, it could be said that we dont have Jap tanks in the game for a very good reason. They sucked!

Oh and the battle of Khalkhin-Gol ? After winning it Stalin was able to transfer many divisions west to help in his big adventure in Poland and later the defense against Germany. This battle at the time was the biggest tank battle in history and some believe it hastened the decision by the Japanese Govt. to attack America and Britain instead of pressing on towards the resource rich Manchurian region.

A brilliant Japanese General, named Tomoyuki Yamashita, after reviewing this battle and seeing firsthand the German use of armor, in France/1940, petitioned the High command and the Emperor to not go to war against America and Britain. In large part due to the lack of suitable tanks and lack of initiative is using them. Fortunately for us the IJA was mostly made up of Generals who would give medals to troops who attacked tanks with a sword but not to tankers who took out enemy tanks the modern way.

[waystin2]

All would be good ideas for addition to the inventory. I will take one of each please!

[A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue]

I thought some self propelled artilery for town killing would be cool, it would be nice to have some power close to that of a cv in a land locked area. Just a thought, feed back is appreciated.

Soviet BM-13 "Katuysha"
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Ugh, I hate the sound of Katyusha. I had the 122mm version of those shot at me when I was deployed to Iraq. Wasn't fun when they traveled at 700mph and only had a thirty second flight time from nine miles away. But they would be a great terror weapon in the game. Especially lobbing them towards the end of a runway when aircraft are attempting to take off. I'm all for the mobile artillery. Heck, they should even add that huge train cannon that the germans had.

[CAVPFCDD]

Can you imagine upping one of those pathetic Jap tanks and charging into battle again Tigers, Panzers, T-34s, Fire Flys?

Because I sure cant.

WW2 Japanese tanks, and tank operations, were rife with failures, screwups, lousy production and design, lousy guns and armor, lousy upkeep, and incredibly poor use of doctrine. The fact is the saki drenched screwballs running the Japanese army thought tanks were un manly and preferred their troops died like men charging machine guns.

A forgotten battle by many today was battle of Khalkhin-Gol . It was a border skirmish that almost ignited an entire war between Japan and the Soviet Union and it happened right before the Germans invaded Poland in 1939. During the battle an entire Japanese army was destroyed including an entire mechanized brigade of Japanese armor using type 95, type 89a & b, and type 97 tanks. The Soviets used mainly T-26 tanks themselves which were armed with 37mm guns.

Probably the best the Japanese had was the later versions of the type 97 which had a high velocity 47mm cannon. But it only had a 33mm maximum armor thickness where'as even our crummy little M5A1 General Stuart had a 51mm max armor thickness, was far faster, and was at least comparably gunned. I'd bet the type 97 in Aces High would get slaughtered by M8s, wirbels, Osties, LVTs, 20mm cannon airplanes, and even 0.50s might penetrate their top armor if modeled correctly. So, it could be said that we dont have Jap tanks in the game for a very good reason. They sucked!

Oh and the battle of Khalkhin-Gol ? After winning it Stalin was able to transfer many divisions west to help in his big adventure in Poland and later the defense against Germany. This battle at the time was the biggest tank battle in history and some believe it hastened the decision by the Japanese Govt. to attack America and Britain instead of pressing on towards the resource rich Manchurian region.

A brilliant Japanese General, named Tomoyuki Yamapoopa, after reviewing this battle and seeing firsthand the German use of armor, in France/1940, petitioned the High command and the Emperor to not go to war against America and Britain. In large part due to the lack of suitable tanks and lack of initiative is using them. Fortunately for us the IJA was mostly made up of Generals who would give medals to troops who attacked tanks with a sword but not to tankers who took out enemy tanks the modern way.

I understand what youre saying rich, i was just adding the japanese ones to show that it was a common vehicle for all sides of the conflict, however these are not tanks, they are self propelled artilery, the role of these in real combat was never to take a tank on, but infantry support and i just figured for use in this game as a town killer or something, they arent designed for taking on other tanks, its like someone taking a b24 to a furball or something. They are simply armoured heavy guns that can move, hence the name self propelled artilery and not tank. These wouldnt be very effective against other tanks but like i said before town or base killers similar to CV guns.

[Babalonian]

I would LOVE some 105mm and 150/155mm artillery pieces added to this game (a lot of different tank models of varying nationalities you can put into the game that used these guns), I would absolutely love it... until an Il-2 shows up.

[Babalonian]

Ugh, I hate the sound of Katyusha. I had the 122mm version of those shot at me when I was deployed to Iraq. Wasn't fun when they traveled at 700mph and only had a thirty second flight time from nine miles away. But they would be a great terror weapon in the game. Especially lobbing them towards the end of a runway when aircraft are attempting to take off. I'm all for the mobile artillery. Heck, they should even add that huge train cannon that the germans had.

Hmmm the original WWII Katyusha fired small salvos of 132mm rockets that didn't have that velocity or range (compared to the later salvos/velocities/ranges of soviet rocket launchers).

122mm rockets with longer range and higher velocity.... Was it mounted on a Ural?  If so I think you're talking about a Soviet BM-21 "Grad"... yeah if it was a Grad, that must of not been fun (much larger salvo, much longer range, much faster velocity rockets as they're shot out of "rifled" rocket tubes on the launcher)... if it was a true WWII Katyusha though (not your bad, it's a nickname adopted by "the west" for later-developed soviet rocket launching vehicles, like the Grad) it should of been dead via superior enemy firepower before it's salvo hit it's target.

[Pigslilspaz]

The fact is the saki drenched screwballs running the Japanese army thought tanks were un manly and preferred their troops died like men charging machine guns.

the grammar nazi says:

"you spelled sake wrong"

[A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue]

Hmmm the original WWII Katyusha fired small salvos of 132mm rockets that didn't have that velocity or range (compared to the later salvos/velocities/ranges of soviet rocket launchers).

122mm rockets with longer range and higher velocity.... Was it mounted on a Ural?  If so I think you're talking about a Soviet BM-21 "Grad"... yeah if it was a Grad, that must of not been fun (much larger salvo, much longer range, much faster velocity rockets as they're shot out of "rifled" rocket tubes on the launcher)... if it was a true WWII Katyusha though (not your bad, it's a nickname adopted by "the west" for later-developed soviet rocket launching vehicles, like the Grad) it should of been dead via superior enemy firepower before it's salvo hit it's target.

Well these things were about 9 feet long and had forty some odd pounds of warhead in them. They were launched off rails set up by the insurgents (or dirkas as I like to call them) not by a mobile vehicle.

[1701E]

the grammar nazi says:

"you spelled sake wrong"

Depends on who you ask; can be spelled either way.
From the first Google result for Saki, "Sake, or Saki, is arguably the national drink of Japan. It is basically rice wine."

Now for me to be the grammar Nazi.

Fixes: 'the' should be 'The', 'nazi' should be 'Nazi', 'you' should be 'You', the quote needs a period at the end inside the parentheses.
I am finished.

As for the original post idea, sounds good.  Would be nice to have some big guns.


 
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