Popkovs yellow 01

[Tilt]

Kudos Greebo who's colour pallet and superb base skin I have pirated shamelessly.

Still WIP
Some dirtying up to do and a Guards emblem to craft.

I have gone with yellow surround on the main stars as per suggested on a B&W plate where this is obviously darker than the white regiment leader bands.

Yellow tail star is for effect. I have seen no data confirming it one way or the other.

[007Rusty]

very nice 

[Greebo]

Sorry, but pasting some new markings onto the default skin seems like cheating to me.

[Fencer51]

Yeah, I agree with Greebo.  Taking a skin done by someone else, even the default bird, and putting different markings over the top is just wrong.

[lyric1]

Sorry, but pasting some new markings onto the default skin seems like cheating to me.

LOL I wish I knew even how to cheat.

[Tilt]

Sorry, but pasting some new markings onto the default skin seems like cheating to me.

Cheating? is it a contest? 

I just want Yellow 01.

I am not here to gain kudos from being a creator my skill is but nothing beside yours.

I dont even want my name in the skin column you can even put A.Cheater in the column if you like.

as you know the default skin is the proper base marking all La5fn of 1944.  Such skins "should" use it as the foundation or else we get poor uniformity.


In fact if you look here http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/skins.html it talks about Modifying skins. Explaining how to down load them and then submitting changed versions of them.

[Greebo]

I'm sorry, cheating was a poor choice of word. You said what you had done in your post and I did not mean to imply you were being dishonest.

What I mean is that skinners put many tens of hours of work into a skin. The default La-5FN represents a month of my spare time, maybe 50-60 hours of work. There are around 60 layers of panel lines, rivets, 3D effects, colours, markings and weathering. Then someone comes along, spends a couple of hours altering it and calls it a new skin. This makes me feel cheated. It doesn't just devalue my work, it devalues the work of every other skinner who does it the hard way. I don't want to make a big deal about this and I'm not objecting to you submitting it.

BTW there is a vertical stretching effect on the top of the fuselage. This makes the stars appear distorted the further up the fuselage you go. If you resize the top row of stars about 30% smaller vertically you should be able to correct this.

[Fencer51]

In fact if you look here http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/skins.html it talks about Modifying skins. Explaining how to down load them and then submitting changed versions of them.

That refers to the fact that the cockpit, pilot, gear wells and some other internals are not modifed (normally) when doing skins.

[Tilt]

Well I dont want to devalue any ones work.

Neither do I want to spend what would be 100's of hours on a task that can be completed in far less. (100's of hours for me because I do not have the skill to do it quicker)

If I could do it in 2 minutes I would

So far I have taken about 4-5 hours (probably because I have such little skill)

I do not need or want to claim it as a new skin.

I do not need to have any reference to me as the creator. I post it here for any help or guidance in making it better

Thanks re the 30%. I could see the effect but was going to experiment with various %'s and indeed was only considering the top half of the stars to achieve it. I'll try it with the whole row of stars.

My view is that a culture that says only original work can be used is one that denies progress. There is no copyright here.

I disagree with fencer. It means exactly what it says. Skins are available to be down loaded for modification. I am modifying a downloaded skin.

[Fencer51]

I disagree with fencer. It means exactly what it says. Skins are available to be down loaded for modification. I am modifying a downloaded skin.

Of course you do, to do otherwise would admitt wrong doing on your part. 

[TrueKill]

Well I dont want to devalue any ones work.

Neither do I want to spend what would be 100's of hours on a task that can be completed in far less. (100's of hours for me because I do not have the skill to do it quicker)

If I could do it in 2 minutes I would

So far I have taken about 4-5 hours (probably because I have such little skill)

I do not need or want to claim it as a new skin.

I do not need to have any reference to me as the creator. I post it here for any help or guidance in making it better

Thanks re the 30%. I could see the effect but was going to experiment with various %'s and indeed was only considering the top half of the stars to achieve it. I'll try it with the whole row of stars.

My view is that a culture that says only original work can be used is one that denies progress. There is no copyright here.

I disagree with fencer. It means exactly what it says. Skins are available to be down loaded for modification. I am modifying a downloaded skin.

No disrespect but if you don't have or want to take the time to make your own skin then you shouldn't try to make one by putting new markings on someone elses work. What you're doing IMO is kind like plagiarising. You take someone else's hard work and just cover up a small part to make it you own. You could have just asked greebo or even someone else to make it . By the time you're done greebo would have done more work on that skin then you did.


Its like someone downloading someones sound pack, changing out one planes sounds then upload it on here and call it their own.

[Tilt]

You take someone else's hard work and just cover up a small part to make it you own.

I am not claiming it as my own plse read above (what is the opening line on this thread?). 

In fact I am very up front in what I am doing...........unashamedly so

You could have just asked greebo or even someone else to make it .

I have..in february

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,226439.0.html

even more so 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,244005.0.html


To be frank I dont se anyone else equalling the default (base) skin in terms of accuracy. It is after all taken straight from page 69/70 of the Erik Pilawskii study on the matter. It is of such quality that  many hours could be spent and never equal it. It should be the base for all La5FN's except the few that were at kursk in mid 43.

[TrueKill]

You using his while skin and only changing the markings is just like stealing. You say you're not claiming it as your own but that is exactly what you are doing when you submit it or post picture here. Admitting what you are doing doesn't make it any less wrong.





Do what you want but if I were you i would try to make the whole thing yourself no matter how bad or how long it takes. Three vet skinners have stated their opinion. When it is in game and people see it they will think you did all the work when that is not the case. What will happen when someone tells you they like your skin? As I said do what you want but if you do all the work in making a new skin you will get more respect then what you are doing right now.

[Tilt]

After ajdusting the upper stars.

Infact I have  split them in two compressing the lower half by 30% and the upper half by nearly 45%.

Latterly I have compressed the upper part of the 0 and the 1 as well as the point of the star.

[Greebo]

I have reconsidered my decision not to object to this skin Tilt and am going to PM Skuzzy and ask that he not accept it. If he agrees with me then either you can do this skin from scratch like every other skinner does, or I will do it.