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Offline hlbly

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Buffet
« on: November 06, 2008, 05:44:39 PM »
I know some of you are tired of this however ....... the most useful thing about force feedback is buffet . We have had a new version and a few patches since I figured out <for myself> that buffet wasn't working . I know there is some disdain/contempt for FF in this game . You have no idea how useful being able to FEEL buffet is in a flight sim . The loss of this sensation in the F-16's fly by wire system lead to the AF programing this to be simulated by software . I think this should say something about it that comes from people who know about it first hand . If the USAF spent the time and money to do this for the F-16 it surely is good enough for AH2 . I would like to think that HTC would put some resources on this problem . I wish whoever was responsible for FF in here could fly any version of AirWarrior that had it . The absolute best FF routine I ever experienced in a flight sim .
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2008, 05:48:30 PM »
O hell! I thought this was about a all-you-could-eat place opening up somewhere.  :o
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2008, 06:22:28 PM »
uhh buffet works for me...  when i dove a p-38l from 15k nose down, at high speed my stick started shaking.

and in stall, my stick reacts differently...

so...

umm?

i use ms sw ffb2   stall at 22%  buffet tested at 40%, but normally at 20%.


<edit>  unless you mean some other kind of buffet force like AA exdploding near by or being struck by bullets?



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Re: Buffet
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2008, 07:00:09 PM »
Quote from: uptown on November 06, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
O hell! I thought this was about a all-you-could-eat place opening up somewhere.  :o
me too
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2008, 07:15:42 PM »
I was thinking more along the lines of Margaritaville and Cheeseburger in Paradise...
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2008, 07:18:41 PM »
Quote from: Shane on November 06, 2008, 06:22:28 PM
uhh buffet works for me...  when i dove a p-38l from 15k nose down, at high speed my stick started shaking.

and in stall, my stick reacts differently...

so...

umm?

i use ms sw ffb2   stall at 22%  buffet tested at 40%, but normally at 20%.


<edit>  unless you mean some other kind of buffet force like AA exdploding near by or being struck by bullets?




Nope it doesn't . Turn stall off and tell me how good buffet works . I mean flight buffet . I am surprised you didn't notice the onset of stick movement does not coincide with screen shake . Anyway try it then repost .
« Last Edit: November 06, 2008, 07:20:15 PM by hlbly »
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2008, 07:20:20 PM »
Quote from: uptown on November 06, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
O hell! I thought this was about a all-you-could-eat place opening up somewhere.  :o


Me too!
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 07:21:14 PM »
Wow so witty .
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 08:39:11 PM »
Quote from: uptown on November 06, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
O hell! I thought this was about a all-you-could-eat place opening up somewhere.  :o


Thats what I thought!
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2008, 08:45:05 PM »
I'm hungry! :(
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 09:33:43 PM »
Quote from: hlbly on November 06, 2008, 07:18:41 PM
Nope it doesn't . Turn stall off and tell me how good buffet works . I mean flight buffet . I am surprised you didn't notice the onset of stick movement does not coincide with screen shake . Anyway try it then repost .


uhhh  yes it does.  i disabled the stall effect... left buffet at 39%... to test went to 14k then climbed and stalled it.. no FFB effect on the stall (screen did shudder slightly).

then nosed over into a dive, at speed (forgot what, but fast) the stick started shaking with FFB effect (and the screen also shuddered at a more rapid pace as controls locked.)


i also have trim set.. let me disable that and leave only buffet enabled... brb...

<edit>  same parameters with *only* buffet enabled @ 39%.. stall = no effect.  no trim = slack stick that will not return to center, lol.

diving at speed = ffb effect of stick shaking.

so, ummmm...

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« Last Edit: November 06, 2008, 09:40:38 PM by Shane »
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2008, 10:00:24 PM »
Quote from: uptown on November 06, 2008, 05:48:30 PM
O hell! I thought this was about a all-you-could-eat place opening up somewhere.  :o

Im hungry for a buffet restauaunt now.............
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2008, 11:05:00 PM »
Real men fly with this
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2008, 01:05:25 AM »
I was thinking chinese........... :mad:
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Re: Buffet
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2008, 06:19:05 AM »
Quote from: Shane on November 06, 2008, 09:33:43 PM

uhhh  yes it does.  i disabled the stall effect... left buffet at 39%... to test went to 14k then climbed and stalled it.. no FFB effect on the stall (screen did shudder slightly).

then nosed over into a dive, at speed (forgot what, but fast) the stick started shaking with FFB effect (and the screen also shuddered at a more rapid pace as controls locked.)


i also have trim set.. let me disable that and leave only buffet enabled... brb...

<edit>  same parameters with *only* buffet enabled @ 39%.. stall = no effect.  no trim = slack stick that will not return to center, lol.

diving at speed = ffb effect of stick shaking.

so, ummmm...

 :noid
No it doesn't work turn off everything but buffet and trim . Turn your plane until screen shakes . Describe your stick actions . If you can't feel the buffet effect from being on the edge of the envelope FF is worthless . The other stuff is meaningless . The advantage of FF is that you process info faster tactily then visually .
« Last Edit: November 07, 2008, 06:22:28 AM by hlbly »
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