Perk planes...

[Race]

Ban perk planes from the DA!

Now that I have ranted I will add some reasons why in a bit...

Edit: Well let me elaborate a little bit here and revise my position a bit. The only perk plane that drives me nuts is the Tempest. They are easy to kill and the guns are simple enough to avoid. Tempests however walk away from every prop plane in the game on the deck. The one pass extend for 6k seperation and hound you until your out of gas is so old. The Tempest adds so little to furball lake that it border lines madness. Its not a X plane is better than my Y plane ordeal. Its a this is detrimental to fun deal. The F4-U4 isnt flown too much and the CHog/Spit14 are easy enough that it doesnt matter. The Spit 14 is usually pretty good match for the planes I fly which is usually the 51B and P-38G. The Tempest is usually a "first kill" priority for me not because its dangerous. I just hate the way they are flown that much.

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"Ryan"

[Denholm]

Naaah. After all, the new guys have to be able to learn with them somehow.

[BnZs]

Ban people who want X banned from Y to make Y suit them better.

[Anaxogoras]

Go easy now.  It's not that bad of a request because their free availability in the DA pond is abused.  Sometimes half the aircraft you see are Tempests and C-Hogs.  I'm not saying they should be banned, but something should be done to fix the tardlet playpen the DA pond has become.

[Race]

How about enabling a light perk price like 10 perks for the Temp? Seperate the perks from other arenas so that no perk farming is going on? Something needs to be done....

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[Ack-Ack]

Go easy now.  It's not that bad of a request because their free availability in the DA pond is abused.  Sometimes half the aircraft you see are Tempests and C-Hogs.  I'm not saying they should be banned, but something should be done to fix the tardlet playpen the DA pond has become.

Unfortunately, if you perk some of the LW planes in the DA, all you will do is force the dweebs to fly another plane.  Their 'tard like behavior isn't just limited to the LW perk planes but any plane they fly.

I went into the DA last week for a few hours and couldn't help but laugh at the guys in the TAS squadron that are one the main culprits of this 'tard like flying.  I think I broke a personal record for overshoot reversal kills in a single flight that day.

But what should be done to stop this behavior?  Kind of a tough question, like I mentioned earlier, I don't think perking the planes is the answer.  Besides forcing these 'tards into another plane and continue their actions, you are also preventing those that just want to fly those planes from being able to do so.

One solution, though while gratifying won't really solve the problem, is to organize a good old fashion Dweeb Hunt and smack those 'tards around in the DA.  Sadly, while it might make things better for a couple of days, the little cockroaches will scurry away until the hunters are gone and then come back.

Another solution would be to remove the score/rank feature and the ability to form squadrons in the DA but I don't know if that is possible or create additional dueling arenas like the main arenas.  One DA for the EW plane set, another for MW and so forth but I really don't like this idea myself.

Of course, in my opinion and others, the best solution that would completely eliminate this sort of behavior would be to make it an instance.  For example, in AW, if you wanted to duel you entered into "duel mode" which was an instance that only you and the other guy would be in.  This would stop the dweebery that is currently polluting the DA.


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[Race]

     I agree with most of your points but every other plane on the deck can be caught rather easily on the deck. The La-7 is a few mph faster but its guns arent likely to be appealling to the masses. The next few planes down arent known for acceleration. They could be caught by slower planes exiting a slow fight. The Tempest has a rocket with guns feel to me that doesnt do the plane justice. I will up one on occasion to deal with a Tempest hoard. Usually I wont even shoot at any other planes because I dont want to escalate the whole deal. Its a great plane with a bad reputation proving why its perked in the MA.

Edit: The DA can be a great place to fly minus the tard flying. I cant count the great fights I have had lately.  People like Klaus, Nrshida, Slimmer, and Steve are great fun to fly around. Classic fights with clean 6 kills being the norm rather than the exception. Along with people not worrying about having to up again (read dieing but I dont call it that). If its a 190 F-8 or a Hurricane Mk1 I will turn fight it. Some people think they are really learning. The reality is far from that.To many times I see people log off because of poor flying and dangit this is supposed to fun!

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[A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue]

Hey, just be glad they are flying the Tempest and not the 262.

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A.F.
     I would almost rather them fly the 262 for a few reasons. One it doesnt accelerate very fast for the most part, two the wing tips arent very strong, and the ammo doesnt last like a Tempest. If they turn for than a few turns and get slow its over. They both suck but I really dont know which I hate worse in the DA

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[Anaxogoras]

A.F.
     I would almost rather them fly the 262 for a few reasons. One it doesnt accelerate very fast for the most part, two the wing tips arent very strong, and the ammo doesnt last like a Tempest. If they turn for than a few turns and get slow its over. They both suck but I really dont know which I hate worse in the DA

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The 262 was updated so that it's very difficult to rip the wings off now.

[Race]

Anaxogoras,
     Well, I still think my opinion is valid. The 262 while almost uncatchable if you dont manuever but it's easier to catch after the pilot has mad a mistake. The engines alone take several seconds to come up to rated thrust. If you put a spit behind a 262 around 200-250 mph the jet is dead usually. Any kind of jinxing keeps the 262 from accelerating for the most part.

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[SmokinLoon]

We dont need to ban the perked planes... it isnt the "newbs" that are using/abusing them for they dont have the points needed to sustain their dirt-dartin' ways.  It is the "vets" that take them and even though they could get the job done in a "lesser" plane they choose to ham it up in their top of the line aircraft instead.  Even after 10 mos playing this game I get a kick out of those who trumpet their own horn and their "skillz" in an uber plane.  Do the same thing in a P40B or Hurrican I and then I'll give ya the golf clap.     

The current perk point/ENY scoring system is quite goofy anyways as there is no rhym or reason... I think it needs to be applied in a combo of two ways:

First, apply it to a plane with obvious superior performance characteristics in 2 catergories.  Firepower, speed, turn, ord, ammo capacity, climb, and defensive characteristics (ability to soak up dmg or defend itself).  In this scenario, aircraft the like the Typhoon, La7, Spit16, Nik2, Hurri IIC, 110G-2, B24, Lancaster, and P47D-40 and N come to mind as aircraft that have outstanding characteristics in 2 at least categories that would earn a perk pt (however light it may be).  This isnt the end-all answer, but at least it provides a starting point. 

Secondly, apply it to aircraft that were rare.  Obvious examples that come to mind are the Me262, Ar234, Me163, Whirblewind, and I'm sure there are many more in the AH2 arena.  It doesnt make sense to see wirblewind after whirblewind after wirblewind without seeing it perked for two reasons: First it is the cornerstone for FLAK defenses (and town raping) and it dominates the ground defense role (how often do we see the M16 outside of the EW???).  Nothing comes close to what it can do.  Secondly, there were less than 100 of them made in the entire WWII.  Point being that if there were (for example purposes only) 8000 Spit9's made and 500 Spit16's made... should we really be seeing an 8 to 1 ratio of Spit16's to Spit9's???  On the opposite end of the spectrum, perhaps there should be MORE of a scoring benefit for taking high ENY planes???   

Yeah, I know this is a game with WWII vehicles in it and the MA is not a represtative of WWII itself... but still.     

One last tid-bit..., the Spit14 needs not to be perked.  Whomever thinks it does and the Spit16 does not... obviously hasnt spent equal amount of time in both.  And why is the P47N cursed with an ENY of 5???  Why does the IL-2 have an OBJ score of 25 while the P47, 190F-8, Mossi, 110, etc all have 10???  Not consitant in the least bit.  Oh.. and the A20 an ENY and OBJ score of 25??? come on...   


 

[SmokinLoon]

Hey, just be glad they are flying the Tempest and not the 262.

I'll combat the Me262 all day long over the Tempest.

[Race]

This is dealing with the Dueling Arena.....all perk planes are free. tho the 262/163 arent enabled here. The "vets" in general stay out of em.

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[SmokinLoon]

This is dealing with the Dueling Arena.....all perk planes are free. tho the 262/163 arent enabled here. The "vets" in general stay out of em.

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my bad... I didnt read "DA" close enough.  I had it in my head as "MA"...