we gotta do something about this hanger thing...

[lazs]

so seriously... How many of you enjoy it when you are in a huge, fast and furious fight with boo coo planes involved and you manage to ditch your smoking shot up fighter at the (relatively) undamaged field only to be told "you cannot take off from this field"  Waaa?  Next field over... not a soul there... "you cannot take.."   Look at the map.... Maybe one huge red bar somwhere.... a tiny little fight 2 or 3 sectors away... Nothing else happening.  

does anyone find that enjoyable much less "realistic"?   I mean, a lone buff or suicide jabo hits a building and the fight is over?  Fighters can't take off because a building is wrecked?   In what war did that ever happen?

Everything I ever read had fighters coming up from fields after months of bombing.   certainly never heard of everyone going home after a building was destroyed.    

We need to have a better system for fighter availability.   Any ideas?
lazs

[INDN]

That is simulating that the airplanes are all destroyed at that field. Maybe it is a little easy to do, shut down a field that is.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yes make buffs less accurate above a certain altitide and make their guns less roadkilllike, the way it is now they have no preoblem getting through unescorted provided they get to 15-20k or so. The suicide jabos are more difficult to deal with. Anyway its becoming obvoius that all the small gameplay compromises and innacuracies just lead to imbalances that have to be counteracted by more compromises and adjustements that in turn create others and so on...  This is just one example.

[lazs]

yes grun... i agree.  I believe that suicide jabos would be easy to deal with tho if a much more realistic fighter revetments system were in place.   fields could have from 1 to hundreds of revetments and they would all have to be destroyed to make fighters unavailable.   You should also be able to "ferry" planes over to fields to "reset" the revetments.   I also think that bombers should only be allowed from back fields.

Perhaps when the hanger is down rockets and bombs would not be available at that field?

with revetments you could see and visually judge the damage to the field but if you just hardened the fighter hanger it would be still all or nothing with no way to judge.
lazs

[fd ski]

I want this feature to exist - having field "close" when last target goes down is just as unrealistic.

Fact is that with all acks up - it's hard for jabo to get in and bomb both hangars.
Buffs - well, toejam... you should be watching for those... otherwise what you're advocating is making buffs useless....

Maybe upping the tonnage on each hangar would help - provided that they would stay down MUCH longer.
If i'm gonna put 10000lb of bombs into the hangar  i don't want it coming up in 5 minutes.


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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

[J_A_B]

Rather than a solution that would create more problems, there is an easier system that can be used:

Get rid of the "destroy 1 hangar to make airfield useless" system, and replace it with "need destruction of airfield"

In other words, use a system like AW uses, where the airfield can be used until about 2/3 of hangars, bunkers, and fuel tanks are destroyed.  After that point, the airfield is "destroyed" and stays that way for 30 minutes, until it can be "rebuilt"  

Only "destroyed" airfields can be captured, making BUFFS vital to the airfield-capture process.


A lone bomber cannot make an airfield useless to an entire country, and suicide fighter-bombers have virtually no effect.  However, the landgrab still runs its course.

Reducing the fields bombers are available at, does nothing but ruin the game for bomber pilots.  We tried that in AW, too, and it didn't work out too well.


J_A_B

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Bah, some people see a buff and say :"heck, I don't want to risk dying engaging ths thing, I have to catch up w/him, then position myself, then do my pass and pray my guning is accurate and not is".

Then the same people complain when they can't use a field 10 min later   Buff pllanes, and CVs, and ground vehicle is what makes AH different from Janes WW2 types of "sim".

You can line up 100 planes on the side of the runway if you want instead of a hangar  

[Udie]

what we need is more targets!!!!!  More fighter hangars AND reventments. More vehicle hangars too.

udie

[AKDejaVu]

Dang lazs.. did you have to take a timeout and sit in the maproom for 2 minutes looking for the next furball?  That must have been very hard for you.

I'm not a big fan of the strato-buffing going on these days.  But I'm less of a fan when it comes to having to deal with someone getting on the BBS and whining every time a hangar is destroyed.

There is more to this game than just furballing.  I'm sorry you don't like that, but its true.  Furball all you want, nobody was criticizing you for doing it.  Just don't get upset at others for doing what they wanted to do.

The furballs are everywhere with this map lazs.  EVERYWHERE.  No need to get pissy just because you had to look for a new one.

AKDejaVu

[Skorpyon]

Oh,.... never mind.
What Deja said...
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Skorpyon
~900th Bloody Jaguars~
"Feel the Sting......"



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[Fury]

Yikes - another furball vs. "strategy" thread.

I like fd's idea, up them a little more but make them stay down longer.

Of course, that won't stop fields from being closed, it will just prolong the agony of people who hate closed fields.

Fury

[sparks2]

I get tired of everyone saying how hard it is to shoot a bomber down...
You don't seem to have any problem getting mine.
I guess I need a better mechanic..or gunner

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[iculus]

whatever...

[Midnight]

Whiner

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[paintmaw]

Umm ,, I'm happy the way things are  
oh ,, where's ,my new spit14