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Offline Wolfala

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The UAW and GM
« on: November 18, 2008, 10:26:32 AM »
The more I learn about it (Which isn't much), the more I don't see how either one is going to survive. I mean, lifetime medical benefits with ZERO COPAY? How many of us have that at our day jobs? Full salary and benefits if the job does not fit the Union Description for the worker? So you sit around on your bellybutton all day with zero incentive - no wonder workers are loyal to the Union and not the Company.
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Offline whiteman

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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2008, 10:50:14 AM »
Sounds like i need to switch jobs.
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Offline Trell

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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2008, 01:44:46 PM »
The next best thing then working for the goverment.
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Offline MoeRon

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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2008, 01:50:43 PM »
That's why you pay 40,000 bucks for a pick-up truck.    :rolleyes:
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Offline DiabloTX

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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2008, 03:32:17 PM »
Quote from: whiteman on November 18, 2008, 10:50:14 AM
Sounds like i need to switch jobs.

Dude...don't tell me you have no idea what those high school drop outs are getting at the plants and refineries around Deer Park and Pasadena??
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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 04:12:19 PM »
Quote from: DiabloTX on November 18, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
Dude...don't tell me you have no idea what those high school drop outs are getting at the plants and refineries around Deer Park and Pasadena??


Enlighten us please
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Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2008, 04:43:01 PM »
Imagine no experience starting pay around $25/hour and doing 80 hr/weeks.  There are plenty of guys here in the early-mid 20's banking 6 figures.  All union protected, of course.
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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2008, 05:15:29 PM »
I don't understand where all these crazy figures come from.  My dad retired from GM in 1998 as a material handler (high/low operator) making $18 an hour.  He worked an average of 70 hours a week his last ten years.  He pays the first $1000 (each for him and my mom) of his medical expenses each year then pays a $50 copay for office visits and prescriptions.  He draws a $2800 a month pension and is scared to death.  He has it better than a lot but not near as well as the picture some would paint. 
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Offline crazyivan

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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2008, 06:13:28 PM »
Bail out! bail out!  :O  UAW vs. GM. :uhoh
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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2008, 06:52:40 PM »
Quote from: sluggish on November 18, 2008, 05:15:29 PM
I don't understand where all these crazy figures come from.  My dad retired from GM in 1998 as a material handler (high/low operator) making $18 an hour.  He worked an average of 70 hours a week his last ten years.  He pays the first $1000 (each for him and my mom) of his medical expenses each year then pays a $50 copay for office visits and prescriptions.  He draws a $2800 a month pension and is scared to death.  He has it better than a lot but not near as well as the picture some would paint. 

that's more than my bringhome was as a mechanic. it's a LOT more than my bringhome now as a shop owner(for now)
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Offline 1pLUs44

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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2008, 08:27:51 PM »
buh-bye both. Both are worthless, they were somewhat good in the '20s and '30s.
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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2008, 08:29:59 PM »
If I had to chose between Line workers getting the pay and the benefits or the Glass tower executives getting HUGE bonuses I will side with the line guys thank you very much :aok
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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2008, 10:11:54 PM »
How about both the execs and the line guys switching to minimum wage for a while?  :huh
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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2008, 11:11:20 PM »
I am for a bail out.... :O


I need time to get out of everything before the economy collapses :noid


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Re: The UAW and GM
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2008, 07:41:41 AM »
Quote from: CAP1 on November 18, 2008, 06:52:40 PM
that's more than my bringhome was as a mechanic. it's a LOT more than my bringhome now as a shop owner(for now)
So you worked for the same shop for thirty years?  When my dad started working for GM in 1968 he made less than three dollars an hour; still a decent wage but quite modest.  He started as a line worker then ran a flywheel balancer (called a broach) then moved into material handling.  After thirty years of loyalty and near perfect attendance he had attained a $19 an hour wage and earned a retirement package that included health benefits which had been promised to him from his first day on the job.

Now as to your comment about your earnings as a shop owner, if you are smart and doing it right you operate your business as an LLC.  Your vehicles are owned by the business.  Your wife is on the payroll.  You have a decent tax rightoff for your home office.  All your utilities and basic necessities are paid for by the business.  You and your accountant play the books so that after all of your "business" expenses are taken care of your business shows little to no profit.  Your only tax liability is in the payroll taxes from the paycheck you right yourself and your wife each week which is basically just "mad money" because the LLC pays for everything (except maybe your groceries).  When put into the proper perspective your statement about earning less as the shop owner is just plain silly.
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