A perspective from some where near the bottom

[Nilsen]

You can remove everyone EXCEPT the auto makers for who is at fault.

[Nwbie]

Many companies start off with just one customer, if not all of them. Once you have established a niche in the market, then you can diversify. This country is screwed if the auto industry goes kaput, or if the foreign car mfg'rs like saturn don't put plants here. There are companies supplying the auto industry which have companies supplying them.  Thousands of workers and service industry employees. I had a customer who made one piece of a mechanism for a shock absorber, he said there were over 15 other companies supplying different parts for the mechanism. That is common in the machining industry, so all you have to do, is do the math, FDR bs aside. The world is a whole different place right now.

NwBie

< Squelching wrag on squad vox for 3 years running> <only when he sings>

[Buzzard7]

Saturn is a foreign manufacturer? I aways thought they were a GM spinoff.

[Steve]

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 A perspective from some where near the bottom.
 First I am not a union member, we are a “new” non union shop that supplies GM. We are currently getting with new customers, but it is a very slow process. What we do here is the difference between a transmission that is good for 30,000 miles and one that has the unlimited power train warrantee. It is called Vacuum carburizing.
 We are all very worried about what happens to the big 3. What happens to them happens to us. I have been hoping for the best and planning for the worst.
 We were sitting around the lunch room yesterday and started coming up with what may happen if this stuff is not sorted out. Remember we are not a think tank, were the guys in the lunch room. Here is some food for thought.

Looking at the news 1.7 million people will be affected by just GM alone if it kicks.

And before you start, the following are at fault.
Auto makers
Union
Suppliers
People who by cars
People who sell cars
And many others.

Who will pay.
1.7 million mortgages.
1.7 million food bills.
1.7 million car payments.
1.7 million repossessions for missed or non payments.
1.7 million doctor bills

It goes on and on, but the one that stands out to me is 1.7 million mortgages. Did congress just fix this? For those of you who say let them go, good for you. You have made a choice. For me, I’m going to the doctors today to get some pills so I can sleep at night.

1.7 million people may be looking for a new job or at least living off what we can, or 1.7 million are going to get smart and leave the debunked auto companies and move to your state and start taking your jobs.

The word you are looking for is Slag. We’re a new class of people “Slags” (after some old TV show).

Semper Gumby, “no good deed ever goes unpunished.”

So how often do you expect us to bail the auto makers out?  I mean,  giving them this money isn't going to stop them from operating at a loss. How long do you expect the rest of the country to support them so you can keep your job? How do you like your brand of socialism?

[Steve]

Many companies start off with just one customer, if not all of them. Once you have established a niche in the market, then you can diversify. This country is screwed if the auto industry goes kaput, or if the foreign car mfg'rs like saturn don't put plants here. There are companies supplying the auto industry which have companies supplying them.  Thousands of workers and service industry employees. I had a customer who made one piece of a mechanism for a shock absorber, he said there were over 15 other companies supplying different parts for the mechanism. That is common in the machining industry, so all you have to do, is do the math, FDR bs aside. The world is a whole different place right now.

NwBie

< Squelching wrag on squad vox for 3 years running> <only when he sings>

I am stunned that you think the auto industry  will go away if they don't get the bail out. The masses are so uninformed but what realyl surprises me is that almost all of them are content to be  this way.

[Delirium]

The auto companies WILL get the bail-out, only next year when the roster of public officials change, in January. The party taking over next year does not want the labor contracts re-negotiated and will bail out the companies to prevent this.

Besides, in some cases it has proven fruitful to the US Government. Didn't Chrysler get a package years ago and not only paid the government back but also with interest?

[MotleyCH]

Didn't Chrysler get a package years ago and not only paid the government back but also with interest?

Yes they did.

3 Million jobs would be lost if the big 3 go down. Not to mention the trickle down effects of the surrounding population, of these factories.

We should have never let the Japanese auto makers build plants here. They would never have let us do the same. Japanese people loved American cars in the past, but their government put higher import taxes on our cars, making it insane for them to buy them.

[Delirium]

We should have never let the Japanese auto makers build plants here.

I'm admittedly one of the guilty ones, I own a Subaru. Granted, it is assembled in the US (I think Kentucky) but it is a Japanese car.

It is interesting that Subaru is made by Fuji Heavy Industries at the Ota Plant. During WWII Fuji Heavy Industries was known as Nakajima. One of the plants owned by Nakajima is the Ota plant (visted by Hirohito in 1934) which made Ki-84s Hayate/Frank starting in April of 1944.

Call me a traitor, but there was nothing even close to my Subaru Baja available for purchase by American car companies. I wanted a small V 4 of 6 with a full backseat, 4 door, and a pickup bed in the back. The only thing made by Americans that offered what I wanted was the huge V-8 Avalanch and it was just too big, too expensive, and too expensive to run.

[john9001]

The auto companies WILL get the bail-out, only next year when the roster of public officials change, in January. The party taking over next year does not want the labor contracts re-negotiated and will bail out the companies to prevent this.

Besides, in some cases it has proven fruitful to the US Government. Didn't Chrysler get a package years ago and not only paid the government back but also with interest?

the Chrysler bailout resulted in the loss of blue collar and white collar jobs including top management, and a realignment of the product line with new models. Lee Iaccoca was brought in as CEO and reorganized the place.
it was not without pain but it saved the company.

and the party taking over next year is the same party the controls congress now.

[Steve]

Yes they did.

3 Million jobs would be lost if the big 3 go down. .

Again.  It's both funny and tragic to realize that people are so unneducated  as to think that the big 3 will be out of business if they don't get the bail out.

[Shuffler]

Many companies start off with just one customer, if not all of them. Once you have established a niche in the market, then you can diversify. This country is screwed if the auto industry goes kaput, or if the foreign car mfg'rs like saturn don't put plants here. There are companies supplying the auto industry which have companies supplying them.  Thousands of workers and service industry employees. I had a customer who made one piece of a mechanism for a shock absorber, he said there were over 15 other companies supplying different parts for the mechanism. That is common in the machining industry

I own a machining and fabriction company. I know of several others. That is not necessarily common.

[Shuffler]

The auto companies WILL get the bail-out, only next year when the roster of public officials change, in January. The party taking over next year does not want the labor contracts re-negotiated and will bail out the companies to prevent this.

Besides, in some cases it has proven fruitful to the US Government. Didn't Chrysler get a package years ago and not only paid the government back but also with interest?

Yes! Lee took zero dollars as pay during that time too. Was a loan not bailout though.

My Chevy trucks were both assembled in Texas but the parts came from all over in and out of the states. My brother is having trouble with the self adjusting backup mirrors on his new H2 Hummer and he has been having to talk to folks in Argentina. BTW The mirrors do not work on any of the H2s tested at the dealership. That is BS for any machine but more so for one that cost 80k.

[Simaril]

Bigger problem than the bailout question is this:

Have the big three shown that they can design and build a vehicle with both competitive quality and competitive price? If they can't, then no bailout will save them -- it only delays the inevitable.

Honda couldn't sell cars in America -- US plants or not -- if they didn't make vehicles that people want at prices they'll pay. The fact that they sell well comes down to the simple reality that buyers think they get a better deal or a better car, or both.

After all, how many Yugos and Dihatsus are on the streets? (I mean, actually RUNNING.) People won't buy just cause its foreign or cause its cheap!

And it seems to me that the big 3s biggest problem is that they've cruised along for years, losing untold BILLIONS of their corporate dollars money while selling cars that don't measure up. The only reason they're crying is that they've finally pizzed away the cash they created over generations of making good products.

[Tom5572]

I, _____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic.  That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.  I will obey the orders of the president and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulation and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  So Help Me God

Very simple but says so much.

It is going to be an interesting four years

The auto industry workers are the only one who really get toasted in this deal.

[MotleyCH]

Again.  It's both funny and tragic to realize that people are so unneducated  as to think that the big 3 will be out of business if they don't get the bail out.

uneducated