A perspective from some where near the bottom

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 A perspective from some where near the bottom.
 First I am not a union member, we are a “new” non union shop that supplies GM. We are currently getting with new customers, but it is a very slow process. What we do here is the difference between a transmission that is good for 30,000 miles and one that has the unlimited power train warrantee. It is called Vacuum carburizing.
 We are all very worried about what happens to the big 3. What happens to them happens to us. I have been hoping for the best and planning for the worst.
 We were sitting around the lunch room yesterday and started coming up with what may happen if this stuff is not sorted out. Remember we are not a think tank, were the guys in the lunch room. Here is some food for thought.

Looking at the news 1.7 million people will be affected by just GM alone if it kicks.

And before you start, the following are at fault.
Auto makers
Union
Suppliers
People who by cars
People who sell cars
And many others.

Who will pay.
1.7 million mortgages.
1.7 million food bills.
1.7 million car payments.
1.7 million repossessions for missed or non payments.
1.7 million doctor bills

It goes on and on, but the one that stands out to me is 1.7 million mortgages. Did congress just fix this? For those of you who say let them go, good for you. You have made a choice. For me, I’m going to the doctors today to get some pills so I can sleep at night.

1.7 million people may be looking for a new job or at least living off what we can, or 1.7 million are going to get smart and leave the debunked auto companies and move to your state and start taking your jobs.

The word you are looking for is Slag. We’re a new class of people “Slags” (after some old TV show).

Semper Gumby, “no good deed ever goes unpunished.”

[wrag]

Relax the destruction of America should be over soon.

Remember FDR?

He was the one that made the 1st depression LINGER as long as he could.  Made some REALLY big changes in our system.  Took us off the Gold standard, created the Social Security System, are among some of what he did.

Do a look up and pretty sure you will see that he did things that made the Depression last as long as possible.

He was also very chummy with the Communist and would even call Uncle Joe on the phone much more often then he needed to.

A little something I've noticed is the Media often tells you what's coming.  The Media is sort of a test balloon and semi-training system now.  Has been for some time.

Obama has been caste in the guise of FDR right down to the cigarette ......

And I was watching "Predator Vs. Alien Requiem" and noticed something at the end.

The survivors were required to surrender their weapons at the end and told everything would be alright, they would even get medical help BUT, surrender those weapons!

That might not mean much to many but I can still remember older films when the Military and the survivors meant up they would ARM the survivors if they lacked weapons, and even start training them, because we were all on the same team.

Anyways don't worry it shouldn't take too much longer.  Maybe a year or so if we don't resist too much.

[Anaxogoras]

After what GM did to the EV1 I have little sympathy for their executives.  That said, government aid should be tied to a requirement for GM to get back to the basics and build cars America needs to be independent of foreign oil, plus a pay cap for all their suits.

[Getback]

Relax the destruction of America should be over soon.

Remember FDR?

He was the one that made the 1st depression LINGER as long as he could.  Made some REALLY big changes in our system.  Took us off the Gold standard, created the Social Security System, are among some of what he did.

Do a look up and pretty sure you will see that he did things that made the Depression last as long as possible.

He was also very chummy with the Communist and would even call Uncle Joe on the phone much more often then he needed to.

A little something I've noticed is the Media often tells you what's coming.  The Media is sort of a test balloon and semi-training system now.  Has been for some time.

Obama has been caste in the guise of FDR right down to the cigarette ......

And I was watching "Predator Vs. Alien Requiem" and noticed something at the end.

The survivors were required to surrender their weapons at the end and told everything would be alright, they would even get medical help BUT, surrender those weapons!

That might not mean much to many but I can still remember older films when the Military and the survivors meant up they would ARM the survivors if they lacked weapons, and even start training them, because we were all on the same team.

Anyways don't worry it shouldn't take too much longer.  Maybe a year or so if we don't resist too much.

I'm not quite as pessimistic as you wrag ....yet. However, so many hold FDR as a savior when in fact he caused the great depression to linger as you said.

I do like your analogy of alien vs predator vs the older films. There is some truth to that. Was it Jefferson who said " Anyone who will trade an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security derserves neither!"

[druski85]

I do like your analogy of alien vs predator vs the older films. There is some truth to that. Was it Jefferson who said " Anyone who will trade an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security derserves neither!"

Twas Franklin.  The quote has showed up in many variants, but my favorite is "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

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Twas Franklin.  The quote has showed up in many variants, but my favorite is "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

I so want to get into this but... I am not going there, I will say that, I so friggen agree...
and one of my favorite parts of the Constitution is where it is mentioned that "...its the American peoples obligation to stand up and take out a government that is not doing its job..."

see why I cant go further...I hope I am not pushing my luck

sry skuzz if it is, crap now I dont want to hit Post...

[Baitman]

Best way to control people is to put them in a prison that they can't see the bars


Sheeple

[SIK1]

Truthfully I would prefere to bailout the auto industry as opposed to the financial institutions. At least the big three produce something. The only thing I see the financial institutions seem to produce is wealth for their executives and the politicians they are in bed with.

The auto industry does need to pull their head out, but in their defence they were only selling what the people wanted. Unfortunately you can't change a production line as fast as the American people change their minds.

[wrag]

I'm not quite as pessimistic as you wrag ....yet. However, so many hold FDR as a savior when in fact he caused the great depression to linger as you said.

I do like your analogy of alien vs predator vs the older films. There is some truth to that. Was it Jefferson who said " Anyone who will trade an ounce of freedom for an ounce of security derserves neither!"

Think that was Benjamin Franklin?

Actually I was being optimistic....

So many believe that Communism and the old USSR is dead.  <sigh>

Is it?

I think not but we shall see.

Too many things gatherin in my mind.

The one thing I scored the highest on in my Military testing was pattern analysis.

There are some patterns going on here that don't fit what I SEE happening.

If Communism were dead....  the patterns would or should be different?

Or Communism isn't the actual threat?

I could go into a lot of things but would take awhile to get it all explained.

[Baitman]

Fascism is worst than Communism 

[Anaxogoras]

The auto industry does need to pull their head out, but in their defence they were only selling what the people wanted. Unfortunately you can't change a production line as fast as the American people change their minds.

No way.  Marketing is all about creating desire where it didn't exist before.  Advertising executives prey on those with weak self-esteem, status-anxiety and anyone who fears they aren't keeping up with the Jones'.  They say "here, buy your product and people will admire you."  The urban American love of the SUV was manufactured in the offices of marketing shmuks.

[SIK1]

No way.  Marketing is all about creating desire where it didn't exist before.  Advertising executives prey on those with weak self-esteem, status-anxiety and anyone who fears they aren't keeping up with the Jones'.  They say "here, buy your product and people will admire you."  The urban American love of the SUV was manufactured in the offices of marketing shmuks.

You may have a point. After all they did convinced the majority of the American people that it was time for "change" as well. Funny how the more things change the more they look like the same old stuff.

[FLOTSOM]

You may have a point. After all they did convinced the majority of the American people that it was time for "change" as well.

am i hearINg the gentle sound of thIN ice crackINg?

 

[Shuffler]

Poorly developed companies shun diversification and pay the price.

Does this company you work for have just one single customer? Does this company make anything else?

With no diversification it is sort of like follow the leader. Some other company makes the calls and the others have to follow. Even if they run right off a cliff. In that regard you have to take the good with the bad.

I have always taken care of my own and expect others to do the same. If I make a poor judgement I pay the price.... not my neighbor. I am solely responsible for my decisions.

Those that live off the public dole should be required to do public service while on the dole. It's only fair i think.

[Nwbie]

Think that was Benjamin Franklin?

Actually I was being optimistic....

So many believe that Communism and the old USSR is dead.  <sigh>

Is it?

I think not but we shall see.

Too many things gatherin in my mind.

The one thing I scored the highest on in my Military testing was pattern analysis.

There are some patterns going on here that don't fit what I SEE happening.

If Communism were dead....  the patterns would or should be different?

Or Communism isn't the actual threat?

I could go into a lot of things but would take awhile to get it all explained.

Oh I'm seeing a pattern here too

Looks kinda like a straight jacket, but with nice red fake buttons to make you have something to look at