CVs vs Kamikaze

[Weave]

I know this has been brought up before, but it is way too easy to take out the carrier by Kamikaze. I'd seen our carriers taken out several times this way.

Last night on two occasions the enemy brought their carrier to 48, so I thought I'd give it a try. It was so easy that I went 2 for 2.

Grab a F4U-D with 2K bombs, climb to 12K, fly directly over the top of the carrier and do a non powered dive straight down. Release the bombs at 5K and follow them down to the deck. Me dead, carrier dead. Wait 15 minutes and fleet disappears. Sounds like a cooking recipe.  

A single Kamikaze hit rarely sank the carrier in RL. Flight ops were suspended for sure, but the whole task force didn't sink from one hit.

Maybe the hanger function aboard the cv should be closed for 30 minutes with the deck on fire, then rebuilt provided additional hits were not taken. Each ship in the group should need to be sank individualy, however once the carrier has been sank, the group cannot be controled, but automaticaly takes a heading back to it's port.

Just some thoughts.  

[ 08-30-2001: Message edited by: Weave ]

[Ripsnort]

Just curious, do you know for a fact that there were no other ord spent on the deck of that CV within 30 min.?  Tests I've personally done (and, I might add, Flakbaits Ord to Target charts reflect the same findings) show that it requires 4000 lbs of bombs.   Either way, I agree its much to easy to sink a CV.

[popeye]

Rip, have you done those tests recently?  I ask because, lately I've seen several CVs kill by lone kamikaze fighters, and wonder if the could ALL be adding the "last straw".

[Ripsnort]

No, did them around 1.06.  Could be old data.

[pugg666]

just curious...
if your plane crashes on the CV, is the damage from the plane blowing up also included?

[Ripsnort]

No.

[Pepe]

I think 4k required.

Lone Kamikazes are only possible if  5"'s are unmanned. Otherwise, that F4U is confetti in short order. I think the main problem on TG's resides just on the other side of the road. It's annoying that a lone Lancaster/B17/B26 flying some 15k alt can pinpoint and effectively sink a CV. Manouvering won't save the boat. Neither woud manned ack.

OTOH, Torpedo attack is VERY difficult to perform successfully.

I think TG's are reasonably well protected, apart from wonderflak.

Cheers,

Pepe

[Weave]

Rip, on both occasions the carrier had just entered the area. Maybe it's a bug I don't know. Later in the evening, Jimbear sank the same carrier with eight rockets.  

On my second kill the carrier was manouvering  with tight turns to no avail.

[flakbait]

I was messin around offline earlier and whacked the carrier with 4k of bombs. Someone e-mailed me a while back askin about how accurate my ord chart was. Dead on as best as I can tell. Still needs some updating in regards to effects, but the poundage is dead on. As for what goes on in the MA in regards to how much blows up what, I'd need someone to give me that info.

Weave, that's nothin. I sank a CV with a single shot from my 190's .30 cal BB gun once!! Back during the infamous 1.05 "glass carrier" days anyway.

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[iculus]

After getting frustrated being on the recieving side, I gave it a try.  I used a JU88 with 4 1000 pounders.  Easy as cake to dive right in and take out the CV.  Of course, you won't live.

[whels]

Originally posted by iculus:
After getting frustrated being on the recieving side, I gave it a try.  I used a JU88 with 4 1000 pounders.  Easy as cake to dive right in and take out the CV.  Of course, you won't live.

the last week i been using p38, with 2 1ks and rocks, u can sink a CV easy with 1 hvy figher, even if CV has been unhit. i did it  4 times last night ne of 48. i even have film
of 1 of my p38 runs. and rarely do i die
, i usually able to RTB even if 5"s are manned.

 a 2 1k fighter can sink a cv.

[MRPLUTO]

This last week, I've found myself over a Bishop fleet in a Lancaster at 18k loaded with 18x500 pounders & a 4,000lb bomb.   Twice.     And the fleet was not zig-zagging.      

In the first attack, I hit the CV's flight deck on the starboard bow with the 4,000lber.  It sank.

In the second attack, I dropped 6x500lbers (delay=0.05) right down the middle of the flight deck.  Those 3,000 pounds sank the CV.  I doubt it had been hit in the preceding 30 minutes, since I found the fleet by chance all alone in the middle of the Southwest Sea in the Mindanao terrain.

I then attacked the heavy cruiser, and hit its stern with the 4,000lber.  It sunk.

/S/ MRPLUTO, Captain, VMF-323, ~Death Rattlers~

[Nash]

Weave that sounded like a great idea to me... Up the amount of damage needed to kill a CV, but also add another lesser level of damage where the CV stays afloat, but the flight ops get shut down for a period of time (equivelant to bombing the "hanger" on the flight deck).

[Westy MOL]

"A single Kamikaze hit rarely sank the carrier in RL. Flight ops were suspended for sure, but the whole task force didn't sink from one hit."

 Carrier fleets also operated with a dedicated CAP over head to help prevent the sinking of ships in the fleet, especially the CV.  The CAP - *THAT* is the missing ingredient. Not that it takes too little to sink a CV or that it's too easy , this or that...  The players using the CV allow it to be too easy for the enemy to sink thier ship.

 Westy

[SKurj]

Westy... no amount of zigging and zagging and manning the 5" can prevent a couple of kamikazee fighters with 2k eggs....


SKurj