Russian SU-30 MK video

[henchman]

Sorry if this was already posted.....


Just had this e-mailed to me and thought i would share. Pretty impressive......

Not sure if I believe the last sentence in the paragraph.

"There is no aircraft in any country's inventory that could stand up to it in a dog fight."

What do you think against the FA-22 or any other....

http://www.rense.com/general75/superw.htm


Henchman

[macerxgp]

Yes, impressive maneuvering skills, but can it get anywhere near close enough to an F/A-22 to use them?

[Buzzard7]

Lot of good all that fancy footwork does when someone throws a missle up your pipe from 30 miles out. Maybe it is so they can turn tail and try to outrun the missle? Sure if a slammer is launched near its max range you might be able to get away. Would be interesting to see what the engineers working on the D model AMRAAM have to say about it.

By the way, it is very impressive with its stunt flying.

[Kazaa]

I've read that the Australian Air Force don't like their shiny new F-35s after they were totally out classed by the Russian made, Chinese flown flankers.
http://202.6.74.101/news/stories/2008/09/24/2373045.htm

I've also read that even the Eurofighter Typhoon could engage the F/A-22 raptor at medium range BVR. I can't find the link though.

[macerxgp]

I read somewhere else that the F/A-22 can fire it's missiles by piggybacking off of ground-based or even AWACS radar. Hell, if they make a B1R, they can just have a single F/A-22 go in, lock up all the enemies, and just have the B1 pickle off all it's missiles (which would be a s**tload, by the way) and be done with it. Don't forget, the F/A-22 still has stealth.


But then there's micro-wavelength radar....

[Buzzard7]

JSF was not designed to take on the Flanker. An attack plan would have the Raptor doing a sweep and escort for the JSF. Never forget the gorilla that comes with a US airstrike.  Sweep,SEAD,escort, strike packages. Now if we have air superiority then the gorilla may be smaller. The Typhoon is a very capable aircraft. On the threat display it would be engaged before it got into medium BVR range if it ever came to fighting them.

[Kazaa]

I would love to know how stealthy the F/A-22 really is, but I doubt I will find out any time soon.

[Kazaa]

The Typhoon is a very capable aircraft. On the threat display it would be engaged before it got into medium BVR range if it ever came to fighting them.

I didn't know that the F/A-22 had long range A2A missiles.

[macerxgp]

Of course it does. What do you think AAMRAMs do? They only 'say' medium range, but they can hit from damn near anywhere.

Not to mention they'll have about 30 of em to use if there's a B1R nearby.

[Buzzard7]

Well the engines can be really quiet and they have a very distinct sound to them when they spool up. I can only attribute this to the shape of the exhaust. They fly over my house on the way into Peterson AFB. We happen to be in the pattern for runway 120. Had a Raptor over the house last tuesday got a real good view as it was only about 500 feet above. He spooled up as he went over and it made a weird sound hard to describe it. They are quite large. As far as stealth I wouldn't be able to guess what it looks like on any radar.
It does look like it will be hard to get returns from one source of radar. Maybe if your receiver were in a different location from the transmitter. Even the large tail surface doesn't look like it would return a signal directly to the source.

Do a search for the AIM-120D Kazaa. Not called a long range missle but it will have improved range. Hopefully we will again return to an AIM-54 type missle for the B1R and Raptors.

[Widewing]

I didn't see anything that the F-22 can't do...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Q6Vb9xJM0

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1125632/f_22_raptor_airshow_demo_kickin_butt/


My regards,

Widewing

[macerxgp]

I'd love to see more Phoenix-Type missiles. Long range intercept is a huge gap in the U.S. planeset.

Anybody recall the way these puppies went off? Damn, it was impressive. Freaking thing was a BnZ deadstick missile. It was fired, climbed to an incredibly high alt, DAMN near Mach 5, and then the motor burned out and it COASTED until it reached the target, which it DIVED on. Damn sweet in my book.

After watching airshow footage of the F/A-22, it even looks like it could hold it's own going guns-a-go-go with a pony in a turnfight a 350 IAS. Maneuverability at low airspeed isn't something we've seen in a jet since the whoopee Meteor (and it STILL turned like crap).

[Kazaa]

Of course it does. What do you think AAMRAMs do? They only 'say' medium range, but they can hit from damn near anywhere.

AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile), The AIM-54 Phoenix missile is considered a long range weapon which as far as I know isn't used by the F/A-22.

[USRanger]

I get bad vibes from the level of weapons technology that we are achieving now and in the near future.  If a warrior is separated from the blood & guts too much, he will forget what war really is.

[macerxgp]

the point still stands that the Eurofighter Typhoon could still lock the bloody thing up at MAX range.

Say's who?! What could possibly lock up an F/A-22 at BVR?

Or are you talking about that P.O.S. Flanker? Those things have bigger radar returns than Rosie O' Donnell.