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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2008, 05:37:09 PM »
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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2008, 06:43:32 PM »
Here's this years take...My 12yr old daughter got this 23 3/4" wide 3 x 4 Mule deer Saturday..Mine is The 4 x 4 whitetail taken Friday..Enjoy :salute

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2008, 07:30:05 PM »
You may have stalked him for a season or two, you may think you are a hunter. But you shot him, you aren't a hunter or even close to being a hunter, you are a target shooter. There was no risk to you at all, an animal that was aware of "normal" predators was shot and killed. End of story !

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2008, 07:30:52 PM »
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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2008, 09:38:40 PM »
You may have stalked him for a season or two, you may think you are a hunter. But you shot him, you aren't a hunter or even close to being a hunter, you are a target shooter. There was no risk to you at all, an animal that was aware of "normal" predators was shot and killed. End of story !

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2008, 11:20:24 PM »
You may have stalked him for a season or two, you may think you are a hunter. But you shot him, you aren't a hunter or even close to being a hunter, you are a target shooter. There was no risk to you at all, an animal that was aware of "normal" predators was shot and killed. End of story !

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Definitions:
Hunt or hunting includes shooting, shooting at, pursuing, taking, catching, or killing any
wild animal.

That's how the state defines it anyway- do you have a better version?

You're correct that he didn't engage in hand to hoof combat with those critters on "even" conditions.  Had he, he'd have gotten his *** kicked, as it would actually have been a very unfair fight.  It also would have been an extremely "unnatural" way to "hunt".

You're sadly ignorant of the predator-prey relationship if you think that predators give their quarry an "equal" chance.  They'll take advantage of any situation they can, capitalize on any weakness, and seize any opportunity to capture/kill their quarry with minimal danger to themselves.  That's what makes a predator successful.  Unsuccessful predators die, and usually don't live long enough to produce offspring.  Predators that attack on "equal" terms simply die, and probably a long painful death from injuries and/or starvation.

A falcon doesn't give a duck a chance to inflict damage.  Does it have a chance to get away?  Sure.  But even that isn't "given", but rather earned by evasion.  An owl kills without alerting its prey to its presence- until it no longer matters.  Wolves attack in packs, with those in front distracting the quarry while those in back hamstring and disembowel it.  Mountain lions attack from ambush.  Many predators don't even kill before eating their quarry.  Why bother?  The requirement is to capture, subdue, and eat.  Death (and its resulting transmission of life) is a by-product.  Larger, more dangerous prey is rendered incapable of escape or defense, but smaller prey is simply swallowed.  An example of each is a hawk catching a rabbit, or wolves attacking moose, vs a hawk catching a mouse, or a bass eating a minnow, or a barn swallow catching flies.  "Rendered incapable of escape or defense" is far from synonymous with "dead".

Kamori's use of a weapon is an example of the human races ability to manipulate objects and its environment to its advantage.  Without that, none of us would be here.  Is a firearm a "natural" way to hunt?  Yes, of course it is.  It's a natural use of a tool naturally devised by a natural organism.  It started out as a thrown rock or stick, became a thrown rock tied to the tip of a stick, then to a rock tied to a stick and then propelled by a stick, then propelled by a piece of string tied to a stick (spear, atlatl, and bow) and finally (so far) to a specialized "rock" propelled by a mixture of natural materials (charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate) or man-made (synthetic) versions of the same.

Kamori hunted well, and has taught his offspring to hunt as well.  He's a successful predator.  And like the rest of us, I'm sure he scavenges to supplement his diet as well.  Scavenging is when you find and eat something that has died or been killed by another organism and left laying around.  A trip to the grocery store and sorting through the meat cooler is a perfect example of scavenging.
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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2008, 11:30:01 PM »
Karaya and others, you are clueless. wipass is trying to get a point across- people like him- real men- hunt with nothing but their hands and teeth. Hiding behind rocks, jumping out and wrestling the beast to the earth as did your ancestors thousands of years before you. Then, with bare hands, killing the animal in a way that does not make use of opposable thumbs- that would be unfair- the animal is killed and eaten raw (the animal does not have fire, why should you?). The carcass of the real hunt is then used as a shelter until the next victim arrives.
That is how you hunt.

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2008, 11:48:41 PM »
Karaya and others, you are clueless. wipass is trying to get a point across- people like him- real men- hunt with nothing but their hands and teeth. Hiding behind rocks, jumping out and wrestling the beast to the earth as did your ancestors thousands of years before you. Then, with bare hands, killing the animal in a way that does not make use of imposable thumbs- that would be unfair- the animal is killed and eaten raw (the animal does not have fire, why should you?). The carcass of the real hunt is then used as a shelter until the next victim arrives.
That is how you hunt.

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2008, 10:33:56 AM »
Karaya and others, you are clueless. wipass is trying to get a point across- people like him- real men- hunt with nothing but their hands and teeth. Hiding behind rocks, jumping out and wrestling the beast to the earth as did your ancestors thousands of years before you. Then, with bare hands, killing the animal in a way that does not make use of opposable thumbs- that would be unfair- the animal is killed and eaten raw (the animal does not have fire, why should you?). The carcass of the real hunt is then used as a shelter until the next victim arrives.
That is how you hunt.

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Edit; I knew it was 'opposable', freaking Firefox.  :furious

WOW..Great responses guys..I couldn't have defended it better my self.

A bit more on this season..On Opening Day my son and I ran into a Grizzly bear 50 yards away from us. Now i don't know about wipass but my 30-06 didn't seen to impressive at that time. Maybe your bear spray makes you feel safer. The Bear called the shots he decided to walk away and not attempt to have a meal. I'm very thankful for that as is my 14yr old son. My daughter and I saw a full grown Wolf on that day she got her deer again under 100yards away. I have taught my kids that your on their terms in the woods. We are no longer at the top of the food chain out there, Like these judgmental vegans in the grocery store all mighty and powerful scavenging for roots and twigs. Try filling your freezer with food for 1 year without a grocery store. It amazes me how weak some of the human race has become. What would they do if bar codes diapered.  I would have loved to see wipass hiding behind a log with his bear spray... :rofl

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2008, 10:35:14 AM »
Definitions:
Hunt or hunting includes shooting, shooting at, pursuing, taking, catching, or killing any
wild animal.

That's how the state defines it anyway- do you have a better version?

You're correct that he didn't engage in hand to hoof combat with those critters on "even" conditions.  Had he, he'd have gotten his *** kicked, as it would actually have been a very unfair fight.  It also would have been an extremely "unnatural" way to "hunt".

You're sadly ignorant of the predator-prey relationship if you think that predators give their quarry an "equal" chance.  They'll take advantage of any situation they can, capitalize on any weakness, and seize any opportunity to capture/kill their quarry with minimal danger to themselves.  That's what makes a predator successful.  Unsuccessful predators die, and usually don't live long enough to produce offspring.  Predators that attack on "equal" terms simply die, and probably a long painful death from injuries and/or starvation.

A falcon doesn't give a duck a chance to inflict damage.  Does it have a chance to get away?  Sure.  But even that isn't "given", but rather earned by evasion.  An owl kills without alerting its prey to its presence- until it no longer matters.  Wolves attack in packs, with those in front distracting the quarry while those in back hamstring and disembowel it.  Mountain lions attack from ambush.  Many predators don't even kill before eating their quarry.  Why bother?  The requirement is to capture, subdue, and eat.  Death (and its resulting transmission of life) is a by-product.  Larger, more dangerous prey is rendered incapable of escape or defense, but smaller prey is simply swallowed.  An example of each is a hawk catching a rabbit, or wolves attacking moose, vs a hawk catching a mouse, or a bass eating a minnow, or a barn swallow catching flies.  "Rendered incapable of escape or defense" is far from synonymous with "dead".

Kamori's use of a weapon is an example of the human races ability to manipulate objects and its environment to its advantage.  Without that, none of us would be here.  Is a firearm a "natural" way to hunt?  Yes, of course it is.  It's a natural use of a tool naturally devised by a natural organism.  It started out as a thrown rock or stick, became a thrown rock tied to the tip of a stick, then to a rock tied to a stick and then propelled by a stick, then propelled by a piece of string tied to a stick (spear, atlatl, and bow) and finally (so far) to a specialized "rock" propelled by a mixture of natural materials (charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate) or man-made (synthetic) versions of the same.

Kamori hunted well, and has taught his offspring to hunt as well.  He's a successful predator.  And like the rest of us, I'm sure he scavenges to supplement his diet as well.  Scavenging is when you find and eat something that has died or been killed by another organism and left laying around.  A trip to the grocery store and sorting through the meat cooler is a perfect example of scavenging.


Very impressive writing MtnMan....Ever make up to Montana ill treat you to some great hunting..

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2008, 10:38:54 AM »
Definitions:
Hunt or hunting includes shooting, shooting at, pursuing, taking, catching, or killing any
wild animal.

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That's how the state defines it anyway- do you have a better version?

Here's one: Noun   1.   hunting - the pursuit and killing or capture of wild animals regarded as a sport <-------

Here's another :Blood sport Noun 1. any sport involving the killing of an animal.

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You're correct that he didn't engage in hand to hoof combat with those critters on "even" conditions.  Had he, he'd have gotten his *** kicked, as it would actually have been a very unfair fight.  It also would have been an extremely "unnatural" way to "hunt".

Where did "wip" indicate:
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"hand to hoof combat" was the accepted method to satisfy his definition of  "hunting"?
Answer: He didn't.  So, don't you think you SHOULD have asked "wip" what he meant, before you typed out a short dissertation on "hunting", et al and in the process intimate that he (wip) was "sadly ignorant of the predator-prey relationship if you think that predators give their quarry an "equal" chance"?  I think you should have asked for more input from him.

I've done my share of "hunting" in my younger years, and (Kamori) I'm absolutely sure I will survive any "food crunch"...as it were. Call hunting whatever you want...in this day and age it's not necessary (in THIS country)to hunt for survival, ergo it's a Blood Sport...IMHO.

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You're sadly ignorant of the predator-prey relationship if you think that predators give their quarry an "equal" chance. 

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2008, 11:45:11 AM »


I've done my share of "hunting" in my younger years, and (Kamori) I'm absolutely sure I will survive any "food crunch"...as it were. Call hunting whatever you want...in this day and age it's not necessary (in THIS country)to hunt for survival, ergo it's a Blood Sport...IMHO.

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I have 3 kids I support on my own.  It is absolutely necessary for us to fill our freezer ....  LMAO Blood Sport...For some it might be a sport..Not here...That Bull I got mounted was so he'll always be remembered. He was a very elusive adversary and deserves my respect.

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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2008, 12:15:03 PM »
Here's one: Noun   1.   hunting - the pursuit and killing or capture of wild animals regarded as a sport <-------

Here's another :Blood sport Noun 1. any sport involving the killing of an animal.

Where did "wip" indicate:  Answer: He didn't.  So, don't you think you SHOULD have asked "wip" what he meant, before you typed out a short dissertation on "hunting", et al and in the process intimate that he (wip) was "sadly ignorant of the predator-prey relationship if you think that predators give their quarry an "equal" chance"?  I think you should have asked for more input from him.

I've done my share of "hunting" in my younger years, and (Kamori) I'm absolutely sure I will survive any "food crunch"...as it were. Call hunting whatever you want...in this day and age it's not necessary (in THIS country)to hunt for survival, ergo it's a Blood Sport...IMHO.

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No they shouldn't have, as a matter of fact, we're ignoring your posts as well.   Preach to someone else.   "Blood Sport", LMFAO.   
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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2008, 12:34:18 PM »
No they shouldn't have, as a matter of fact, we're ignoring your posts as well.   Preach to someone else.   "Blood Sport", LMFAO.   

Kam, WTG very nice sir.

The best thing about hunting is the time in the field with your kids. My father took me hunting as soon as i was old enough. My father passed away 2 yrs ago this February. The fondest memorys i have is our hunting trips. I can still picture us sitting on an old fallen tree, his snow encrusted glove wiping the moisture from the stock of his rifle, staring out over the meadow behind our house.

  Funny the way that works, i remember being disappointed after missing a really nice doe. My pop just looked at me and put his hand on my shoulder and explained that its not about getting something when you go out, its about the sounds, smells and feeling of the outdoors.
 I'd give anything to have just 15minutes more with him on that old log.

Keep building the memories sir.

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Re: Montana..The Good Life
« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2008, 12:38:42 PM »
I have 3 kids I support on my own.  It is absolutely necessary for us to fill our freezer ....  LMAO Blood Sport...For some it might be a sport..Not here...That Bull I got mounted was so he'll always be remembered. He was a very elusive adversary and deserves my respect.

Kam

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