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Offline Impakt

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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2008, 08:12:55 AM »
Yes, in my opinion (nothing more just my silly opinion) there are anomalies in the plane/ vehicle set. "Anomaly," I believe, comes from the Greek "a-nomos." The privitive Greek "a" (like "a-gnositic {don't know} or "a-theist" {not theist}) is here combined with the Greek term for "law" (nomos). So it means that rules, or maxims of rational conduct are not being followed and the "anomalous" instances are the particulars that violate the rule or law. What law? Well, if it were my game (I know it isn't) I would prioritize the planes and vehicles that played the largest role in the actual conflict we are simulating. So, if you were constrained to limit the game to 10 planes total, the P-40E would be in and, the me-262 would be out. What are some anomalies? Well, how many combat kills did the Ta-152 have? I haven't looked it up. The only anecdote I know of is of Kurt tank running away from two ponies in a prototype. I do know the D-520 and the yak-3 had many more. I suspect the Swordfish had many more ship sinkings than the Ju-88. I imagine the "normal" Sherman played a larger role than the firefly which was simply 1 tank in 4 in British and Canadian units (Poles too, I guess). Please don't fasten on to any particular example as a way to refute my overall point (details hazy but point stands). Of course THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY, i.e., by choosing the firefly you give the Sherman a chance---so people may choose it.
So from my historical perspective (there are other equally valid perspectives) some odd choices have been made and some glaring omissions too.
Not a biggee just why I said "anomalies".

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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2008, 11:56:15 AM »
it would be nice to have all the Gv from  different countrys that fought no matter how good or crappy they might have been
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2008, 12:27:57 PM »
Yes, in my opinion (nothing more just my silly opinion) there are anomalies in the plane/ vehicle set. "Anomaly," I believe, comes from the Greek "a-nomos." The privitive Greek "a" (like "a-gnositic {don't know} or "a-theist" {not theist}) is here combined with the Greek term for "law" (nomos). So it means that rules, or maxims of rational conduct are not being followed and the "anomalous" instances are the particulars that violate the rule or law. What law? Well, if it were my game (I know it isn't) I would prioritize the planes and vehicles that played the largest role in the actual conflict we are simulating. So, if you were constrained to limit the game to 10 planes total, the P-40E would be in and, the me-262 would be out. What are some anomalies? Well, how many combat kills did the Ta-152 have? I haven't looked it up. The only anecdote I know of is of Kurt tank running away from two ponies in a prototype. I do know the D-520 and the yak-3 had many more. I suspect the Swordfish had many more ship sinkings than the Ju-88. I imagine the "normal" Sherman played a larger role than the firefly which was simply 1 tank in 4 in British and Canadian units (Poles too, I guess). Please don't fasten on to any particular example as a way to refute my overall point (details hazy but point stands). Of course THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY, i.e., by choosing the firefly you give the Sherman a chance---so people may choose it.
So from my historical perspective (there are other equally valid perspectives) some odd choices have been made and some glaring omissions too.
Not a biggee just why I said "anomalies".

  Too late, I have already been called a "blowhard'---pompous @** remains to be hurled.
Those "anomalies" dont have anomalous function or useage in the game.
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2008, 04:44:51 PM »
m00t, aren't you French?


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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2008, 04:57:41 PM »
You wouldnt know it unless I admitted it.. and even then it's only because my passport says so. There's good chances I'm not setting foot over there for the rest of my life.. Zero regrets there. Naturalizing first chance I get.
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2008, 05:10:57 PM »
:D  You're my favorite, former, French mate :)
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2008, 11:22:38 AM »
French Vehicles??...give'em 10 minutes and wouldn't they be German vehicles anyway?
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2008, 03:21:33 PM »
I still like French fries.  :noid
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2008, 03:30:58 PM »
And French Bread too!!!   :aok
I still like French fries.  :noid

But French vehicles...... Really?

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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2008, 05:24:39 PM »
m00t, aren't you French?


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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »
The french had combat vehicles, let alone an army?  :confused:
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2008, 08:09:43 PM »
I refer anyone who doubts the bravery of the French to study the Napoleonic wars and WWI. French military deaths in WWI were 1.4 million out of a total popu;ation of 40 million. I believe this death toll surpasses all US military deaths in all wars (our WWI population was 130 million). In WWII France suffered between 217,000 and 300,000 combattant deaths and 265,000 civilian ones---the US had 295,000 combattant deaths. So, even in that war the French made a greater proportional sacrifice than the US. May I remind you that France came to the aid of neutral Poland while we sat across the Atlantic and hid. Indeed, some isolationists were reluctant to declare war on Germany after Pearl harbor---thankfully the Germans declared first ending the debate. If you study the France 1940 campaign and the Resistance movement you might learn of great courage (along the Loire, at the very end, a suicidal offensive was launched pour l'honneur de France. To imply that the French are any less brave or militarily adept than the United States is simply to announce your own ignorance and predjudice. Thomas Jefferson said (I paraphrase from memory) "every civilized man has two countries---his own and France." France is a GREAT country with a great civilization and a proud history----any other imputation is simply a lie.
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2008, 08:13:34 PM »
In other words, they're anomalous.
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 02:38:31 AM »
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Re: French Vehicles, please
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2008, 03:00:24 AM »
I refer anyone who doubts the bravery of the French to study the Napoleonic wars and WWI. French military deaths in WWI were 1.4 million out of a total popu;ation of 40 million. I believe this death toll surpasses all US military deaths in all wars (our WWI population was 130 million). In WWII France suffered between 217,000 and 300,000 combattant deaths and 265,000 civilian ones---the US had 295,000 combattant deaths. So, even in that war the French made a greater proportional sacrifice than the US. May I remind you that France came to the aid of neutral Poland while we sat across the Atlantic and hid. Indeed, some isolationists were reluctant to declare war on Germany after Pearl harbor---thankfully the Germans declared first ending the debate. If you study the France 1940 campaign and the Resistance movement you might learn of great courage (along the Loire, at the very end, a suicidal offensive was launched pour l'honneur de France. To imply that the French are any less brave or militarily adept than the United States is simply to announce your own ignorance and predjudice. Thomas Jefferson said (I paraphrase from memory) "every civilized man has two countries---his own and France." France is a GREAT country with a great civilization and a proud history----any other imputation is simply a lie.

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