"Don't Move Your Controlls So Rapily!"

[discod]

Can I disable this?  I don't get it very often but sometimes when flying a Hog it is necessary to jink back and forth quickly while flying at near stall speeds with full flaps in order to avoid enemy fire...and there is nothing more frustrating than when the autopilot kicks in and levels my plane out and renders my joystick useless!!    Same thing happens occasionally when I'm gunning in a bomber or gv and I'm shooting at multiple attacking planes.


If there is not a way to disable this "feature" then PLEASE add it.  

If there is a way to disable this then will someone tell me how?  Please please please?

[Pepe]

Level what???

You must have an improved code, mine simply freeze controls in whatever position my plane is at that time  

Perk Improved Code!  

Cheers,

Pepe

[hazed-]

well EITHER recalibrate your joystick in AH or realise this is not a fair move.

If your joystick is calibrated and you are getting this warning in those slow climbs/stalls/turns with flaps, you are STICK STIRRING.

that precicely what its there to try to discourage.

at low speeds 'jinking' as you call it only works because from 1 jink move to the next the host repositions you on others FM. thats why it avoids the hits.
ive seen a lot of this flip flopping in scissors lately.As people bank left and right they jump slightly totally throwing off your aim.As far as im concerned its gaming the game,using net inconsistancies to avoid a loss.
I use hard rudder and aileron to slip if im slow and need to avoid but i certainly dont do fast left /right or up/down movement because quite simply in real life fast movements like that would do next to nothing to avoid fire. your aircraft would simply shudder as it struggles to maintain a smooth heading.at a low speed fast movements would take time to have an effect on your heading in an online game it makes you warp.At least thats what i perceive this stick stirring does.
My suggestion is stop doing it.accept that you have to wait for your aircraft to start a move.If you was in a real aircraft the stick would be heavy and throwing a stick from full deflection one side to the other would be a damn sight harder if not impossible.
as for the gunner position causing it too that to me seems like you have a badly calibrated joystick.

[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[Steven]

I got this same message the other day in a FW-190 in the CT and it's bugged me ever since.  And to be clear, I was NOT stick stirring.  I was watching a pretty Spitfire on my tail and would use my roll rate to try and keep his lift vector unaligned with mine and hoped he'd run out of bullets or something.  However, after what seemed a while all of a sudden my FW-190 starts rolling like molasses and then I'm level in a gentle climb and I see the message "Do Not Move Your Controls...blah blah."  I relaxed the joystick for what *seemed* many seconds which did nothing for me.  Then I tried gently pushing down on the stick...up, left, right...NOTHING would break my joystick lock.  To me, it seemed like forever and I was quite surprised it took this long but the Spitfire finally fired on me and I was dead.  So does this joystick lock last all day or something?

However, I'll be clear that I was NOT stick stirring in this incident.  In fact, had I been I would've probably tasted salt water because I was very low.  If this is a fix for "stick stirring", it's certainly a really lousy one.  I almost never fly LW but I realise I have one defense at a reduced speed in a 190 vs a Spit on my tail less than D500 and that is rolling.  For a game that allows Spits and N1Ks to pull those kind of G's all day long without adverse affect, let others have their roll!

-Puke
332nd Flying Mongrels

[metronom]

I got this message exclusively at take-off in the Il-2. And the action witch is responsible for this is using the rudder to stay on the runway.
So if you see a Sailor who's drivin across the field in a zig-zag,he's not drunk   only his joystick.

Sailor

[highflyer]

"do not move your controlls so rapidly"

IS gay...  


why limit the ability of another planes motion.

in reality,... if you need to do a full defection of your right aileron, then a snap into the left... YOU SHOULD NOT BE PENELIZED for this.

Please get rid of this anti-move-your-flight-controls-limiter-net-code-crap.

thanks.

[SKurj]

highflyer.. the move you describe would take ALOT longer to do in reality than it does in AH.  Our little sticks with little springs can in no way represent the stick forces of reality (up to 50lbs and more)

Many of you have seen the "floppy" moves in the arena.  Now imagine every time u saddle up on a guys 6, he starts flopping so fast from side to side that in reality would turn the pilot to mush....

Think for a moment before you make statements like these...

and don't forget ITS AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD!! the guy behind you or in front of you has the same restrictions.

An arena full of floppy fish stick stirrers would more than likely be the beginning of the end for this sim that many of us love.


SKurj

[ 09-04-2001: Message edited by: SKurj ]

[highflyer]

the move you describe would take ALOT longer to do in reality than it does in AH.

Does Patty Wagstaff sound familliar?

How about any other Hi performance aircraft(aka WWII aircraft in aces high) that has the ability to snap roll or deflect control surfaces and thus change attitude of flight in releation to air pressures over the deflective control surface at very rapid(far more than what is represented here) rates.

As far as 50 lbs of stick force,..... WHY?

pilots can use both hands, they can even use thier legs and push off of them to aid in a more agressive way(power) to push the stick at given moments within the flight.

[minus]

damper slider  !!! modify your roll ,pitch damper , and you never see the msg again , sure controls become slow a litle, try find a compromise  on seting

[SKurj]

hmm anyone know how much patty's plane weighs?

probably not much more than 1 wing of a P47 +)


SKurj

[Tyro48]

Pattys planes max gross weight is 2095 lbs!

[kraquen]

i believe a p51 is 7000-12000lb depending on fuel/ammo/ordinance

kraquen

[flakbait]

Hmmm, Patty Wagstaff's stunt plane, an Extra 300S, was made to be unstable about all three axis. On purpose. Max weight is 2,095 lbs. Now a P-51B at normal loaded weight tips the scales at 9,800 lbs and was mostly stable. It had to be, since it was built in 1943! A P-47D-25RE runs up near 14,600 lbs. You honestly expect an aircraft weighing 5 times more than her's to be just as maneuverable? That Extra 300S has a wing loading of 18.15 lbs per square foot. But that thing doesn't have to worry about high speeds. The never exceed speed is 220 knots; a P-51B can hit 350 knots or more. It doesn't have a 2,000 horsepower engine, guns, ammunition, armor, and carries a grand total of 45 gallons of gas. A zero carries more gas than this!

Some wing loading figures (thanks to Juzz):

P-51B-5NA: 42.06 lbs/square foot
Ki-61-I-KAIc: 30.42 lbs/square foot
Extra 300S: 18.15 lbs/square foot
A6M5b: 26.38 lbs/square foot
P-47D25: 48.667 lbs/square foot

That Extra is nicely maneuverable, but you can't compare it against any WW2 A/C. It has nothing that qualifies it as combat capable, and even the .30 cal popguns could kill it.
 http://www.extraflugzeugbau.com/frameset.htm

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[highflyer]

This topic has nothing to do with weight,nor manoverablity between aircraft, but rather air pressure applied to the deflected control surfaces. In wich case at the respective aircraft speed( wwii fighter wise) will still be within the amount of roll times the amount of x airspeed to give the degrees per second.

Now back to original topic, If 190 rolls to left with then a sudden opposing roll to the right... (in reality this event could occur almost instantly).  In Aces you may wind up with "Stick Stir" detection, and only way to avoid this "stick Stir" is to then Dampen down the aircraft's natural ability to be very precise and hinder roll/opposing deflections of flight controls.

Why do that.

[AKSWulfe]

Or we can remove it because it seems none of you advocating it's removal understand it.

It's there to prevent you from warping all over the place. This code didn't exist in early WB, and planes were untrackable when pilots would jerk the joystick around like it was their jimmy.

Fact of the matter is, I get that message only when I use rudder and shift it back and forth really quickly.

It measures how many times you reverse directions in your joystick or rudders in a specific time frame and how quickly. You can do it smoothly and quickly and then reverse and you won't get the message.

But if you just jerk it to the far left then far right the back again until you are sure the enemy can no longer hit your warping airplane, damn straight you will get that message.

It's there to deter 'people' from taking advantage of how slow the net is.
-SW