F4c.

[hazed-]

I logged off tonight because all i could find to fight was f4uc's.
i got on one and 2 or 3 others would come charging in HO, blasting wildly, you could see them losing control but spraying.Well 3 times i got shot down by 1 ping hits whilst chasing other f4 dweebs.wings come off..engine gets destroyed..tail detaches!. PLEASE HTC!
Im sick of it.AH is getting very boring with niki and f4 battles the norm.
Well if something isnt done about this arena imballance im quiting.I dont enjoy ah like i used to.IM SICK OF THE SAME FIGHTS OVER AND OVER!
Only rarely do i get enjoyable dogfights with both of us taking hits etc and this is usually when im fighting p38s,p47s,p51s,109s,yaks,la7s etc etc
I realise people love the plane and want to fly it BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY

If something isnt done to reduce the damn numbers of single types of aircraft AH will die for long term users.

HTC what as the point of the perk system?
to reduce the likelyhood of 200 tempests flying around and thus the game becomeing boring right?
Well the way i see it its time to reduce f4c numbers.You told us you were considering perking the f4c when everyone was sick of it before.You introduced new planes and left it as it was.Well i thought great i am seeing less of the f4c and getting varied fights so i thought you was right not to perk it but now the novelty of the new planes has worn off ITS back!.1.07 with its new stuff will no doubt make the f4c more rare for a while but it never lasts.1 or 2 tours and the F4c is everyhere again.I cant remember what tour it was but i distinctly remember a great tour where i saw very few f4cs and nikis,more spits and p47s :d one of the maps just seemed to discourage their use.The mixture of fights was great and i miss it.
I know you dont give a toejam what i think and to be honest im fed up with posting my concerns but i know im not alone in thinking this.
HTC what happened to the dynamic perk system?
i thought the more a plane was used the more it would cost to fly to stop saturation by certain superior types?
F4c has MOST of the kills in MA
please do something.

yours pissed off

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Hazed
3./JG2



[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 04-28-2001).]

[Toad]

I just don't fly the same game, I guess.

I never see my areas of operation totally full of F4U-1C's and N1K1's. But then I don't hang around CV battles much because none of the planes I really like to fly operate off of them.

I see by your stats though that Ship Gunners are your number 3 cause of death at ~9%, after F4U-1C's ~11% and Spit IX's ~11%.

Do you fight a lot at the CV's? Seems like you might avoid the -C if you didn't hang around the boats much.

After all, ~19% of your kills are of F4U-1C's, F4U-1D's and Seafires and about 27% of your deaths can be traced to these three aircraft plus the ship gunners with ship gunners way ahead of -D's and Seafires.

Perhaps staying well away from the boats might give you a new perspective and a lot more fun?

Just something to try.

[Hans]

It won't change anything.  If you remove the two most popular planes, another pair will just become the most popular.

Hans.

[Karnak]

Hopefully the new improved vehicle armor model coming in v1.07 will make tanks basically immune to Hispano cannon, removing that part of the F4U-1Cs versatility and thus reducing the absolute number of F4U-1Cs in the game.

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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Tac]

extremely unlikely Karnak. Chog 20mm will still whack planes with one ping and will do a helluva more damage against gv's than its 50 cal armed counterpart.

Sure, it wont kill gv's as easily as before, but thats about it.

"It won't change anything. If you remove the two most popular planes, another pair will just become the most popular."

Yep, 2 planes that actually have to ACM to get kills. Wouldnt that be great?

"But then I don't hang around CV battles much because none of the planes I really like to fly operate off of them. "

Problem: Cv's come to you. This problem is serious in the current isles map coupled with the psychyc-flAHk (TM) that whacks it all above 3k.

With all this, I still have to fight to keep my side's fields. If we all just "ignored" cv battles then you may as well kiss any strat effort good-bye. Perhaps the solution is to remove cv's? limit them? BRING BACK THE UTERUS FOREVER!.

[rosco-]

  I dont care what the other guy is flying, I just want him dead.


 Lucky for me ehh?  

[hazed-]

toad honestly you made some great suggestions for me IF i asnt such a strategy orientated player.
If i just liked constant furballs with less f4c,s i'd fly on the centre island where im at least more likely to see the full complement of AH planes.
But I prefer to defend bases under attack stop the enemy where i can and hit them where they least want it.Often this involves flying into carrier groups(hell even flying over them at 20-30k is no safer).Someone has to stop them toad and its hard work.otherwise we'd be stuck with 2 bases all the time if we all ignore carriers.

However toad those stats mean nothing as a lot of the ship gunner kills are probably because ive been using ju88s/tbms etc this tour for torpedo/bomb attacks and generally you die.Notice i have never complained about gunners on ships, as i know, trying myself, it is no easy task and it can be long waits between kills. .F4c i ould say is just a bit too good(RL?) to be such a freely available aircraft, anyone who says the f4c takes skill is mad.Its a point and spray spacecraft from starwars.

All i know is when i fight most planes you get hit here and there lose bits but keep fighting and more importantly 'ENJOYING' the fight.This happens very rarely in f4c fights(and others with 4xcannon admittedly, though you dont see them much).
Usually you run into 3 or 4 F4c dweebs then one Ho's you after the other. eventually one gets a lucky ping and half your plane falls off.
makes for boring fights for me.


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Hazed
3./JG2

[Wotan]

logged in disgust as well .... at a10 every plane was a chog with the exception of a p51 hi and a la7 low. It sucked..............

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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)

  Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!

[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 04-30-2001).]

[sling322]

WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

[AG Sachsenberg]

     

Originally posted by sling322:
WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!

This is the reason why the Chog is not perked.  I know what hazed is saying and i have been saying it all along.  I don't care what is done but I am tired of fighing and seeing mainly the top 3 killers.  THis is my last post for this and I honestly could care 2 toejams what  anyone says in response, I expect the Sling responses, I expect the whining and crying for it not ot be perked.  

Watch as they leave when a new game comes out.  I know I will be there with them.  I am currently helping on a new game ans that has taken my time from this game.  But everytime I log on, there they are the dynamic duo.  


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Verkaaft's mei Gwand `I foahr in himmel!
Sell my clothes I am going to Heaven!




[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 04-30-2001).]

[sling322]

Sturm...err I mean whatever your name is, I can care less one way or another whether or not they perk the damn thing.  I am just getting sick of all the ranting and raving and "I am quitting unless they do something that I want them to do" threads that are filling up this bulletin board lately.  I mean, really people, whining about it over and over isnt gonna make Pyro perk it any quicker.  He has already read the other 3,148,593 threads on the same subject and they obviously have already led him to place it on the top of his priority list  

When are some of you gonna get it through your thick skulls that when and if Pyro decides to perk the plane is when it will happen....and all your whining and crying isnt gonna make it happen any sooner.

[Wotan]

Sling
 
One thing if your tired of f4u complaints why read a thread about the f4u?

Plenty of crap on this bbs I dont want to read so ya know what I don't  

<S>


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Im Auftrage der Reichsbahn
(By order of the State Railway)

  Pray not for an end to the slaughter...but for VICTORY!!!

[This message has been edited by Wotan (edited 04-30-2001).]

[J_A_B]

The F4U-1C isn't as unbalancing to AH as a lot of people make it out to be.   Remember how bad things used to be in other games.

For example, in AW in times past, roughly 60% of the planes in the sky would be Spitfires.  Currently in AW the FW-190A is dominant; the 190A's account for about 35% of total use when the arena is crowded.

If the F4U-1C composes 20-25% of the planes in use in AH, that isn't too bad.  One plane will always be more common; the common plane in AH is distinctly less numerous than the common plane in AW.

J_A_B

[sling322]

Fair enough Wotan.  It just seems that these threads are all started by the same Leather Wearing, Limp Wristed folks.

Must be a conspiracy or something.  

[hazed-]

sling go post this luftwaffe whiner toejam somewhere else.

Im playing a game i feel certain parts of the game detract from my enjoyment and i post my reasons on the BB for HTC hopefully to answer or read.
I dont know if HTC takes any notice because they have never answered my posts about the f4uc possibly being perked.
Im sure there was talk by pyro(?) that the chog might be perked before the dora/tempest/arado/la7/p51b were introduced.They decided not to perk it and i was dissapointed but it turned out on the map they introduced we didnt see that many f4cs and obviously we saw lots of the new planes.
Well now on the island map again the arena seems full of f4ucs to me.La7s,yaks 205s and others are very rare.i just dont enjoy it as much.

Surely this is a valid point from a paying customer not a damn 'luftwaffewhine' or whatever juvenille label you keep applying to anything that mentions LW planes.

Sling this post was not LW related but you again try to turn it into a slanging match and conveniantly stick the LW crap in because you obviously have no way of denying that the f4uc is too common, and is responsible for the most kills.

My reasons for the perk?
1) it as an extremely rare plane in the war 200 made i beleive
2) it was a late 1944 introduction
3) the guns can kill panzers/osties with ease
(spit etc included here if their 20mm are the same[eg not as RL])
4)It is far too common in arena and this is leading to repetative gameplay( niki included for me here)
5)it has 2-3 times as many kills in the arena as the rest of the planes
6)not sure about this but it has full ordinance loadout and i cant find any references to the f4Uc having the hardpoints for carrying 1000lbers(obviously if you can show me some evidence this can be dropped)
7) its easy to kill in it from much longer distances because of its guns and stability and it encourages spraying in the hope of the odd round hitting.

sling you give me your reasons for not perking it.

and 'it takes skill to fly it on the edge' is probably true but lets face it they arent usually flown by the top pilots (unless they are true lovers of the plane and these people would have no problem paying a low perk fee).
ok lets see if i get a sensible answer to my request and that ill totally change my opinion? Im open minded....list the reasons and ill read them.


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Hazed
3./JG2

[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 04-30-2001).]