Author Topic: PLEASE! ACTIVATE BOMBER GUNS ON GROUND  (Read 437 times)

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« on: April 30, 2001, 06:24:00 PM »
 Suggestion for next update. It would make things a whole lot more interesting in every way...not to mention realistic...WBIII has this feature to their credit.

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2001, 07:01:00 PM »
Before someone else has the chance to reply...

This WOULD have the effect of making "carbombing" mostly unnecessary.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2001, 09:27:00 PM »
 NO

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2001, 03:46:00 AM »
Hi all,
While I understand the reasons why inoperative guns on the ground for buffs was introduced I now tend to think that they should be re enabled. This was originally brought in before we had bomber hangers etc to destroy and IMO falls into the same catagory as the Ack not being in the rebuild time after a field is captured. (Something else I think which should be changed). If you want to stop people using bombers as GV's destroy the Bomber Hangers.

JMO

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2001, 07:36:00 AM »
I would have maybe considered it before they hardened the hangars, but now I say no.  Disable bombs on the ground too.

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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2001, 11:25:00 AM »
Disable bombs and guns on the ground. If you are flying like a bomber, you don't need either when you take-off.

If you are flying like a dweeb, then you need both.

Simple.
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2001, 01:13:00 PM »
NO ackstars. Period.

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2001, 01:45:00 PM »
Why in the world would you need buff guns before you even departed your field ? Tell me you're not taking off in bombers from vulched fields .

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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2001, 02:50:00 PM »
I would support this as long as you could not turn your bomber into a GV.  Perhaps if the on ground gunning would only work from a base held by your country.  This would prevent people from landing and doing taxi damage at a enemy base, factory, etc.

ATC

 

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »
No way and please deactivate the B26 forward firing gunpack while on the ground.

And the ability to drop bombs while on the ground too.



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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »
agree with sunchaser.  
 but its hardly a problem for me.If you allow a b26 to roll and shoot troops youre not capping properly or with enough friends
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2001, 05:07:00 PM »
want guns in the ground? Take an M16!

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2001, 04:48:00 PM »
Cite realism in regards to bombs (not) being able to be dropped from the ground, then gameplay for gunners not being able to fire from the ground?

The consistancy is mind boggling.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »
AK, bite me.
First, this is an arena where field capture is based on bringing ten little soldiers into one building; realism has little to do with it.
Second, both positions are consitent from a "pro-realism" perspective anyway.
Here's your "gameplay" perspective:
Bombs should be dropped hot from bombers on the ground because it's a great and fun defense against vulchers.
Guns on the ground should be enabled because it's fun to sit in the planes and shoot stuff down.
The counterargument is pretty strong:
In a game based on flying planes any activity that encourages planes to stay on the ground is counterproductive. Period.

Now for realism:
Yes, you could run the guns on the ground IRL, and there are accounts of people doing it.  But most fields had anti-aircraft guns that were a helluva lot cheaper to build and replace, and the overwhelming majority of aircraft kills occured from fixed AA guns, not from Johnny CMH running to a B17 full of fuel and bombs and firing at strafing aircraft.
IRL, when a plane is strafed to the point of destruction, it doesn't come back immediately, fully armed.
enabling guns on the ground allows players to use bombers primarily as ground-based anti-aircraft batteries, something that from a perspective that looks for realism is completely absurd.  10 .50 cal guns cost way less than one b17g.

and IRL, bomber crews did not often blow themselves to hell in the hope that they might catch one or two enemy fighters in the blast.  Sorry.

Anything that encourages using bombers as ground-based defense systems is wrong from both a gameplay and a realism point of view.  The damn thing has wings, it should have to fly.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2001, 06:19:00 PM »
Dinger,

You are trying to argue for things that make it easier to vulch a base.. pure and simple.

The same concepts that are used to prevent ground vehicles from spawning (that can bomb instantly) can be applied to prevent bombers and fighters from spawning.

Basically, people are arguing that its too difficult to take the hangars down and prevent the spawning... end of story.

Of course, they also gain a great advantage by being able to capture a field with hangars in tact (instant use).  So.. you want things made as difficult as possible on the defenders while minimizing the work required to capture a base and maximizing the rewards.

I see.

Once again...

The consistancy is mind boggling.

AKDejaVu