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Offline BnZs

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Water shade/plane invisibility.
« on: December 11, 2008, 10:47:36 PM »
I don't know about you guys, but I find that most skins (excluding bare-metal silver types) tend to just blend with the water tone we currently have, some worse than others. A plane goes from being difficult to see at "high noon" to impossible to see against the water at "dusk". It is VERY annoying to only be able to see a red icon. and not be able to make out your the opponent's wingline/planform, even with the zoom turned on. The problem also exists with certain land terrain/plane skin combinations. Yes I know how to adjust gamma, and it doesn't make any difference with this particular problem. I am running at maximum graphic settings on a good system, with a 21'' monitor. Yes, I know difficulty seeing the target is "historical", but this is one case where, as with readable instruments, I think we should err on the side of playability instead of perfect accuracy. Quite frankly, my eyes aren't getting any younger either, I am sure there are many AH'ers in the same boat.

It doesn't have to be this way. The shade of water we've had in some Special Events terrains, such as Tunisia, does NOT cause a dark-painted aircraft to become nearly invisible. I realize why MA terrains aren't quite as graphically detailed as the ones used in Special Events, but surely simply lightening the shade of the water and some trees would not overload low-end CPUs.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 11:49:30 PM »
You do know thats how they did camo, or do you mean, lets say a blue hellcat against some green land or water?

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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 12:20:19 AM »
He means the lighting and texture combine to make planes less noticeable than they should be.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 01:17:43 AM »
Some planes practically disappear from some viewing angles, and not necessarily dead-six, either. Sometimes I have trouble picking up the La-7s when I'm at their High 5 or 7 o'clock, even if they're gray against the water.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 09:04:50 AM »
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 10:40:16 AM »
Thank for the support guys...I'm glad I'm not the only one having a problem with it. Perhaps I don't need that cane and dog after all?  ;)

I actually ran into an NOE Ju-88 last night attempting to defend the fleet. I would have sworn I was taking a beam shot with it passing left-to-right, but I was actually coming in on it's stern. I really couldn't see anything but the icon. And this is a bomber, not a small single-engine fighter.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 11:09:11 AM »
I also agree, I think the terrain color scheme should be changed such like the FSO or AVA arena's, I thought there was some changes coming from HTC on the map terrains and such, does anybody know if this is still going to happen and when.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 12:35:33 PM »
What graphics card do you have?

I sorta agree now that I think about it, but before reading this, simply felt I had to make sure I was aware of my surroundings..........


Besides, if you have alt and some F4 is noe, you're still going to see them coming.  When I zoom in full from 18,000 feet I can clearly see the Selector Skin on a 110, or any F4U blue and the direction of the plane.

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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 01:19:34 PM »
Okay guys, fixed the post, sorry.

These are some screen shots of an F6F, 110, and 109 K-4 offline. The terrain is Trinity. These pics were taken using external view. I estimate the apparent size of the airplanes as shown in this camera position is equivalent to the what you would see being behind an airplane at ~400 in unzoomed view. The 109K pics, btw, were taken with default skin.












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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 01:25:44 PM »
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 02:36:01 PM »
I agree with your wish/complaint.  At 400 yards, one of these aircraft would occupy a much larger space in your visual field than it does on the computer monitor, the definition would be greater, and you'd have a sense of depth.  Consequently, camouflaging/countershading is even more effective in the game than it was in real life.

Btw, save your pics in PNG format instead of JPEG so the colors don't bleed.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 02:46:50 PM »
Some water like the old one that had specular effects would make the planes stand out easily.. The present water texture has the same dull finish as planes and everything else in the game.
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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2008, 10:48:09 AM »
A profile shot of an F6F taken at "twilight" against the water used in the current "Italy" terrain. This water or a shade like it would represent a welcome "step-up" in visibility for MA terrains also.  :aok

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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2008, 11:21:15 AM »
  Im glad Im not the only one who see this.

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Re: Water shade/plane invisibility.
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2008, 07:28:12 PM »
If your monitor can display true black this is less of an issue but still an issue especially for my tired old eyes.
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