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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2008, 03:58:10 PM »
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2008, 05:00:05 PM »
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why would the b-29 take much more development? were is the diverence to other plans? only the size cant be the problem, or?!
maybe the plan development will rise a bit because of the CT dies. we will see what is coming next :)
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The artwork is the major issue in adding aircraft.  The interior of the B-29 would require a lot of 3D modeling to make, significantly more than the B-17, B-24 or Lancaster.

The remote turrets on the B-29 and the remote barbettes on the 410 also, apparently, pose a coding problem.
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2008, 07:11:47 PM »
Why would you stuka 200 perk B-29s when you can endlessly stuka Lancs for nothing?

The bomber crowd deserves a bone tosssed in the form of a perked bomber. I'd rather see A-26s, 111s, and TU-2s, come first but I hope the 29 eventually makes its way into the game.

Well it hasnt been added to the game as of yet. so to say it woud have a 200 point perk is strictly speculative.
Based onteh reduction of perks required to take perk rides now.
I doubt it would ever see a 200 point perk value
But regardless of its perk value.
People WILL dive bomb it so long as that ability is modeled into the game.

I personally dont think Lancs and 17's should modeled in a way that they be allowed to drop at more then a 10-15 percent angle.
This tactic was used probably less then 1% of all the missions flown in the entire war.
Yet you can see it happen on a daily basis here.
there are some aircraft we will never have because of how few of them that were ever in service during the war.
the same mentality should be applied to the use of dive bombing by the heavy bombers.
So long as that aspect remains modeled into the game. I'll be against the 29 ever being added

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I'd also much rather see before the 29

Ju 88H-2 Long range fighter version of Ju 88H-1 reconnaissance aircraft. Based on stretched Ju 88D-1 fuselage with Ju 88G-1 wings and engines. Two 20 mm MG 151 cannon in solid nose and four more in belly pack

Or  one of the JU88 P series with the 75 mm PaK 40 anti-tank cannon,
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2008, 07:42:48 PM »
They lowered the cost of the 262?
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2008, 08:26:14 PM »
They lowered the cost of the 262?
Just upped one tonight....they haven't.
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #65 on: December 24, 2008, 04:05:00 PM »
No,
Not for the 262.
But the other rides have been
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2008, 04:08:50 PM »
410 was real unstable due to how close the two props were, it would be a pretty easy plane to shoot down and wouldn't be used much (IMO) We allready have a good town strafer in the 110. I DO think the 410 should be added someday, just not in the near future


that was the 210 , 410 had issues resolved thus by the time it was fixed germany lacked enough skilled pilots
for her to do any real damage
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #67 on: December 25, 2008, 12:31:54 PM »
No, we whine about the b-29 because it would throw the game outta whack. The plane balance would be gone. Plus, add it without a nuke, or cap it's ordy load... well, then there'll be more requests here about how "W3 w4n7 73h n00k!" and "If you look at my current charts, it's ordinance level simply is off! We need more b0mbs!"
b-29 = flying metal death trap for AHII and HTC imo...
you'd pretty much be paying perkies for your death.

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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #68 on: December 25, 2008, 01:03:44 PM »
The artwork is the major issue in adding aircraft.  The interior of the B-29 would require a lot of 3D modeling to make, significantly more than the B-17, B-24 or Lancaster.

Another thing about the B-29 and modeling the flight dynamics is, there is only one air worthy B-29 left in the entire world!! That aircraft, known as Fifi, is owned by the CAF (Confederate Air Force if I remember correctly) as well.
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2008, 02:57:04 AM »
Another thing about the B-29 and modeling the flight dynamics is, there is only one air worthy B-29 left in the entire world!! That aircraft, known as Fifi, is owned by the CAF (Confederate Air Force if I remember correctly) as well.

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 :rolleyes: dont understand the problem.....did you ever see a ta152 or a ju 88 in the air since the war end?????

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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2008, 08:05:04 AM »
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 :rolleyes: dont understand the problem.....did you ever see a ta152 or a ju 88 in the air since the war end?????

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Actually there are quite a few air worthy FW-190s, TA-152s, and Ju-88s around so they most likely could get around one, look at the design, and get the flight dynamics of it. But since there is only one B-29 left, the problem is getting the chance to get around the aircraft and actually having a flight on it to retrieve the flight dynamics of the plane.
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2008, 08:15:15 AM »
There is plenty of test documentation available to model the B-29A.

Restored aircraft aren't used in performance testing, and would produce inaccurate results in any cases due to changes such as the removal of guns and armor.


Look here for examples of the kind of primary source data HTC uses:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2008, 09:15:35 AM »
Actually there are quite a few air worthy FW-190s, TA-152s
How many?
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2008, 12:08:54 PM »
How many?

Not exactly sure but there are some flying in the states somewhere in Texas I think.
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Re: B-29 Superfortress and/or the Messerschmitt Me 410
« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2008, 01:26:12 PM »
Actually there are quite a few air worthy FW-190s, TA-152s, and Ju-88s around so they most likely could get around one, look at the design, and get the flight dynamics of it. But since there is only one B-29 left, the problem is getting the chance to get around the aircraft and actually having a flight on it to retrieve the flight dynamics of the plane.


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only one b29 is left? mmh. ok thay are some 190 and 88sin museums but still in duty?? i knew some 190 replikas but ta 152 no.
but to creat a AH model thay need only technical datas and some pics.
by the way the me 163 for example do have the same problem, but we get it :-).
and there are many more plans in game we have with out any living example.

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