The meaning of <S>.....?

[humble]

I'm a bit curious what the overall consensus is here. Probably becuase I find myself becoming ruder and more snippy as time goes on. Earlier today I found myself over an enemy base at 12k or so in a 202. I encountered an F6F there a bit higher who I'd assume was waiting...he dove in and quickly ended up going down to the ack to join a lower hurricane...both of which stayed in town ack more or less...a 110 came in low and hot and tried to pop up on me...he was aggressive and pushed the 110 pretty well....I put some rounds in but no real damage...anyway I played tag with the 3 for a bit. At some point the F6F left and landed and a Ki-61 rolled soon after. I played with the 110/hurri while the ki climbed and then switched off once he was roughly co-alt. A very very good climbing fight ensued and continued for a good while. A yak took off and climbed up to the fight so I had to finally break off. The Ki got a very big <<S>> for a great job but didnt respond at all. I told him over 200 that I was gonna extend a bit because of the yak. Really looking to see what he would do...eventually the Yak forced a fight on me and while he was relatively easy to avoid he created a lot of issues vs the Ki-61 since he took any ability I had to force the fight up away. to make a long story short the Ki popped a flap and eventually my continuing to avoid the spud launcher let the Ki saddle up...at which point I get a <S> from the Ki driver...

I asked him point blank what I was saluting? To me a <S> is a sign of respect, nothing more...nothing less. How am I supposed to respect someone under those circumstances? I'm curious what the overall thoughts are here....

[LLogann]

There are some that over-use the salute, that much is for sure.....
But it could be all kinds of reasons.  Perhaps just a young person who has <S> fever, or maybe it was a sarcastic <S>....... (Which rarely translates well)

[VonMessa]

 

There are some that over-use the salute, that much is for sure.....
But it could be all kinds of reasons.  Perhaps just a young person who has <S> fever, or maybe it was a sarcastic <S>....... (Which rarely translates well)

Sure it does.  Like this.......


<FINGER> Llogan       


 

[LLogann]

hahahaha       But then the Mods give you a timeout VM................ And I hate those!!!

Sure it does.  Like this.......


<FINGER> Llogan       


 

[E25280]

So let me get this straight . . .

You fought well in a 2v1 . . .

One of the 2 finally gets you . . .

He throws you a salute for doing well vs. poor odds . . .


And you come in here to biotch about it?

Dude, get a grip.  Accept it for what it was.  If you want to be a jerk and not return the salute, that is your choice.  To come here and whine about it quite frankly shows you to be a rather petty and insecure person.

[infowars]

So let me get this straight . . .

You fought well in a 2v1 . . .

One of the 2 finally gets you . . .

He throws you a salute for doing well vs. poor odds . . .


And you come in here to biotch about it?

Dude, get a grip.  Accept it for what it was.  If you want to be a jerk and not return the salute, that is your choice.  To come here and whine about it quite frankly shows you to be a rather petty and insecure person.

 

[SIK1]

I'm with E25280 on this one.

Might be that the person who gave you the salute did indeed respect your ability to hold off multiple cons, and to make a good fight of it.  

A salute for a fight well fought would be a show of respect. Would it not?

[FLOTSOM]

well first off when you <<S>> the KI the first time he may not have been able to type because he was flying near an enemy (you). every time i fly/fight and type at the same time I'm quickly heading for a dirt Knapp. or he may not have realized you were talking to him as you probably didn't use his name when you <<S>> him, seeing how you were both still in the air you couldn't have known who he was yet.

when he <S> after the fight he was giving his respects to "your" skill and "your" ability for lasting as long as you did being out numbered and against better planes. he obviously didn't say <S> "me" for killing you. he also gave you his respect for the fun of the encouter, even if he had numbers and a/c advantage you put him through a rough ride and his hands were probably still shaking after the fight was over.

even you stated it was a very very good fight before the yak interupted. well humble think of how much experience you have compared to most players today. what to you would feel was a "very very good fight" to me (or another without your time and experience) would feel like we had just fought off the entire arena by ourselves. our excitement and adrenaline levels would be through the roof. try to remember/imagine the last time you felt that way about a fight.

his <S> was for your skill your ability and most importantly for the fun of the fight. did you have fun? did he show skill or ability during the fight? if you did then he deserves your respect as a cartoon pilot. if you did not, then he deserves your courtesy as an experienced and accomplished pilot and member of this community.

if you couldn't bring yourself to <S> him then be polite and thank him for his <S> to you. your berating him for the <S> may actually discourage him from bothering to be polite or show respect to others in the future.

FLOTSOM

[humble]

Interesting comments...

I'm certainly not "whining" or "biotching". What I find interesting is the comment on "being a jerk" for not returning the salute. Anyone who knows me wouldn't call me petty or insecure...I'm far from it. And as stated above I gave him a <S> earlier for the initial engagement. So in the 1 on 1 I complimented him...

Now to me once he uses the 2nd plane he basically forfeits any recognition for the pelt. So I can say "TY" I guess or ignore him or ask him...

I guess its a state of the game thing. Way back when I started playing with the big boys a <S> meant everything. Getting a recognition from the top sticks was an important measuring stick. It was also a way of nurturing "the code" and if you gave out a <S> improperly you didnt get silence or a lame uncalled for <S> with someone biting there tongue...you got a dressing down on text and you got your butt ganged for a week if needed.

Now what I regret is not getting a chance to finish what was shaping up to be a great fight. Win or lose would have been great either way. Contrast that earlier when Alpha81 not only stayed out of a fight but went out of his way on range to let me know (A fight I lost BTW and gave a well earned <S> to the victor).

So I guees the simple reality is that if I give you a <S> I mean it and you earned it

[humble]

Actually this was an old hand and a fine stick who is every bit my equal....

[Morpheus]

Dam, I used to salute ammo bunkers, troop barracks and the like when I'd go up against em. They all put up a great fight.

[Shane]

meh...  i've never bought into the whole in-game faux <S> thing.  I'll either say "fun" or toss out a smiley if someone "earned" something, which isn't too often anyway...  

[Anaxogoras]

I don't see salutes as being about any sort of man-code, and I don't remember them being like that in Warbirds either.  To me a <S> means "that was fun," or "nice shot," or "thanks for being a good sport," etc.

The only time I can remember not returning a <S> was when I dove on a N1K that turned into my face and successfully HO'd me (we were over the water and I couldn't distinguish the aspect until it was too late).  I don't know why he thought that was worth a <S>, unless he was trolling and wanted me to react.

[humble]

meh...  i've never bought into the whole in-game faux <S> thing.  I'll either say "fun" or toss out a smiley if someone "earned" something, which isn't too often anyway...  

Hehe thats not quite an accurate statement. Oopsey wasnt all that much different then 1000 others caught between wanting and knowing. You used to @#$% with the best of them in the beginning. In fact I think your a poster child for the old school way of doing things. you went from being a guy I could wax with the ACM I forgot to being a guy I couldnt beat with a roadmap and a 2 x 4 over a few years. you took the time and you got the knowledge...and anyone who knows you knows you gladly pass it along ot anyone who earns just a smidgen of respect from you.

[FLOTSOM]

Actually this was an old hand and a fine stick who is every bit my equal....

well if he has your experience and seat time then;

1 he should know how it goes in the LWA and you should have yelled screamed and called him nasty names all while challenging him to go to the DA!

2 or you could have re-upped and head back towards the base telling him by pm that your one on one with him was fun and that you are in rout back. invite him to meet you in the middle so you can finish your fight without interruption.

as a player and member of the community which response would you want to see become the common method of behavior in the arena's? remember you are a well known long time player, your name carries a little weight and leaves an impression on those who are newer and less experienced and see you on 200.

long time players unrelentingly biotch and complain about the disrespectful and mouthy attitudes of newer players who vocalize their griefs and attack opponents verbally on 200, but those very same long terms players refuse to realize that most of those newer players are following the example set by the long time players.

it will be the noob that watched you snub the <S> of the KI pilot and further berate him about the <S> he sent you, that will be the guy who next month drives you crazy because you skillfully shot him down but he wont stop running his mouth to you on 200 or by pm for killing him.

FLOTSOM