Dueling: What shots do you take and what shots do you hold off on?

[flatiron1]

never mind lol

[Sol75]

in the MAs, I will take ANY shot, except the HO.  My only exception to this rule is in a 1vMultiple, in which case I will take any shot offered, including a HO, since quickly eliminating your opposition is key in these situations.



Sol

[Shane]

in the MAs, I will take ANY shot, except the HO.  My only exception to this rule is in a 1vMultiple, in which case I will take any shot offered, including a HO, since quickly eliminating your opposition is key in these situations.



Sol
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psssttt....  MA is ------->

DA <-----  is where we are.

 

[B4Buster]

wow 10 pages wtg

[Sol75]

Shane: DOH! I must have misread it! was scanning the forums while I am at work waiting for a virus scan to finish on this server.. so not really reading in depth.

In the DA, same applies, 1v1 a true duel, i will NOT HO.  However, sometimes my squad participates in squad duels, where we divide ourselves up into a many vs many, in THAT case once we pass (clean pass no HO) anything goes.

Sol

[grizz441]

Not really.  To me, what I want from a fight, is very clear.  I want to get shot when I screw up.  It is the only way to know I screwed up.  In my case it is very important since I will give shots or try to make the other guy that he may have one to get them to go for it while I try to set up mine.  Not getting killed, gives me a false sense of success in doing something that did not work. 

And to be clear, I don't take those "questionable" shots.  If you think I did, I might have made a mistake or lag made you think I did.  I don;t do it on purpose.  However, you show your belly trying to get an advantage on the turn, it should be only be fair that you pay for it.  And really, I had a lot of people call a canopy shot for 30 degrees or more questionable. Comon now    If anyone wants a fight until we are on each others six say so.  Don;t wait until a few deaths before you mention anything.  (YOU meaning, anyone, not you personally)

Yeah every fight we have and every shot you have ever taken on me was 100% valid and your shot standards I agree with 100%.  I know you don't take "questionable" shots.  Who defines questionable though?  What about a shot that is just on the cusp of what your opinion of "questionable" is or perhaps maybe even bleeding into your "valid" range?  My point was that each player has their own opinion on what warrants a valid shot and I'm glad that mine and yours are similar.  It's a fuzzy gray area, not a fine line separating valid shot and cheap shot obviously.  I'm getting rudder pedals for Christmas so hopefully we can have some more good fights in the near future Ded.  I need to work on my rolling scissors!  <S>

[Shuffler]

I want to get shot when I screw up.  It is the only way to know I screwed up.  In my case it is very important since I will give shots or try to make the other guy that he may have one to get them to go for it while I try to set up mine.  Not getting killed, gives me a false sense of success in doing something that did not work. 

Just last night I ignored dedalos coming by as I was watching a 109 that I mistakenly thought was heading straight at me. I was also checking back at dedalos as he was making a long slow E conserving turn onto my 6.......  oooo look at the pretty tecersssssss   BOOM!.

[dedalos]

  I know you don't take "questionable" shots. 

I do.  Look bellow.

What about a shot that is just on the cusp of what your opinion of "questionable" is or perhaps maybe even bleeding into your "valid" range? 

In that case, and not saying that I always follow what I am about to say, get a new plane and try again.  You can pretty match tell if the guy is doing it on purpose after a few fights.  In that case, stop fighting him or try to learn how to avoid that situation.  It is good practice any way since that is what you will encounter in the MA.

For the most part when I do it, the other guy was either turning faster than I thought so when I started firing it was a 40 or 30 degree angle but by the time they exploded it was close to HO and they chose to remember that, I might have made a mistake and got trigger happy, believe it or not the bad guy did the same to me in fight prior to that, Lag ect.

The general rule is that they can do it to you but god forbid you fire at them while they are looking up at you    Some people think that if they can see you, you took a questionable shot. 

My experience with dueling has been that everyone tries to pull as hard as they can to get into a HO situation in order to avoid getting shot so you get merge after merge in a HO situation hopping you avoid the collision until the rolling starts.  Very easy to make a fight go long at that point since both guys are out of e and barely can keep their planes flying.  Advantage in that situation comes in inches at a time.

[dedalos]

Just last night I ignored dedalos coming by as I was watching a 109 that I mistakenly thought was heading straight at me. I was also checking back at dedalos as he was making a long slow E conserving turn onto my 6.......  oooo look at the pretty tecersssssss   BOOM!.

The low 38 over the trees?     I was like WTH is he doing?  He knows I am here.  I was so sure I was getting set up I almost hit the trees looking all around me

[grizz441]

My experience with dueling has been that everyone tries to pull as hard as they can to get into a HO situation in order to avoid getting shot so you get merge after merge in a HO situation hopping you avoid the collision until the rolling starts.  Very easy to make a fight go long at that point since both guys are out of e and barely can keep their planes flying.  Advantage in that situation comes in inches at a time.

That's one grievance I have with the "meet on the deck" duel.  Obviously it is a pure fight with dueling rules.  But...it sets up an unrealistic MA scenario where 2 planes have the same alt and same E coming into a fight (where both pilots know relatively how fast the other plane is going) and it forces ho merge after ho merge.  I'd prefer to get 2-3k also to begin a fight so you can at least mix it up a little bit and have some alt to play with.

[Shuffler]

The low 38 over the trees?     I was like WTH is he doing?  He knows I am here.  I was so sure I was getting set up I almost hit the trees looking all around me

 

BTDT 

[Shane]

That's one grievance I have with the "meet on the deck" duel. 

i agree, which is why i always go for at least 2k above the base alt... i'd go 3 or 4, but know most duelers will whine about it.

They're missing out on yet another variable that the "higher" alt provides - the vertical downward that provides more options with the merge.  You go too far down, and the other guy still have plenty of E to sit above you if he chooses.

I fail to see why all duels should be "pull stick to tummy and hold as long as possible," regardless of the planes.

[grizz441]

i agree, which is why i always go for at least 2k above the base alt... i'd go 3 or 4, but know most duelers will whine about it.

They're missing out on yet another variable that the "higher" alt provides - the vertical downward that provides more options with the merge.  You go too far down, and the other guy still have plenty of E to sit above you if he chooses.

I fail to see why all duels should be "pull stick to tummy and hold as long as possible," regardless of the planes.

  We agree!  Let me get your take on this scenario also... I think dueling is silly when the opponent goes straight loop,loop,loop/stallout.  I also don't see how to defend against that unless you mirror his moves and then inch out the advantage.  It also sets up a 3rd merge where you go directly head on and stare him in the face going 80 mph, it's just silly.  It's also a silly MA strategy since 1) In a fight with more unknowns than in a controlled dueling environment, you might get absolutely waxed doing that if your opponent has more E than you anticipated or less E and gets a good shot on you and 2) It doesn't promote the 'quick kill'.  I am guilty of it sometimes when I duel to mix it up I guess but its applications aren't always relevant in the MA.

[dedalos]

That's one grievance I have with the "meet on the deck" duel.  Obviously it is a pure fight with dueling rules.  But...it sets up an unrealistic MA scenario where 2 planes have the same alt and same E coming into a fight (where both pilots know relatively how fast the other plane is going) and it forces ho merge after ho merge.  I'd prefer to get 2-3k also to begin a fight so you can at least mix it up a little bit and have some alt to play with.

Noooo, try to learn to avoid it.  It is possible.  Not always, but thats the learning thingie I am talking about 

[humble]

Actually I think any "for real" duel should start at 8k over the hard deck....