Buff Guns are Fine

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by GrinBird:
Jig... you dont answer my questions, and as if you were a skilled politician you avoid to attack my main point.
I know that there is skilled simpilots who fly bombers, it wasnt my meaning to step on their toes. I just want to get a simple answer to my two simple questions:
1) Why can realism-demanding simpilots accept an arcadish and non-historic modelling of the bombers? - Something they would never accept for the fighters.
2) Why is it so important to make it so easy to kill fighters from bombers, - so it isnt needed to fly in formation have escort etc?

And btw Jig.. B17s were never used for carpetbombing of airbases. They were simply not accurate enuf for that. Even a full formation on B17s wouldent hit a base hard enuf to justify the attack. Airbases were attacked by fighers and fighterbombers like Tiffies and Mosquitoes.

And the C47... why model that out of the game? The C47 in AH does the same job as it did in WW2, and its important for gameplay. It is not boosted in anyway, you cant just move a crosshair and drop the troops accurate fron high Altitude. - And the 10 troops are not firing out of peepholes and hitting everything that moves on 1.2 K´s distance.

and in response to your two questions...

1) Try and get escort in AH. Try and get more then one or two other bombers to go with you. It don't happen. And prolly never will. Compromise has to be made somewhere to make up for it. I have seen nothing arcadish about bombers within the context of the sim. When was the last time you saw several hundred B-17's in a tight combat box with escort ANYWHERE in AH? Um never. Hard to justify making anything absolutely histortical without the proper situation.

Besides the fighter pilots would squeak that much more if there was more then one or two they had to kill.

I don't think it's buff pilots wanting a non-histortical bomber system at all. I think it's just a bunch of whiney pilots who are going to squeak regardless of what happens.

and for the second question... see above.
There aren't enough people that are in AH yet to justify the parameters for an average gunner and his weapon. Real promising for a player when they spend quite a while climbing out in a bomber only to have a Fighter jock spend  a few minutes climbing to them and ripping them apart.

So I stand by my original comment...it's a good compromise history and game play.

I try and fly all the planes, and have no problem killing fighters in a bomber, and no problem killing bombers in a fighter.

If you make it easy for a bomber to kill you, you will die easily. If you make a proper attack then you won't. If they are over 25k I don't even bother with them. The only thing that shows up above that alt is the HQ building. And I don't like dar anyway  

Oh well.

- Jig

[Beefcake]

I know I'm a dedicated(sp?) buff pilot, but I really don't wanna get in this post, but I will say this:

Tour 7

The B-17G has 2764 kills and has been killed 3860 times.

Kinda says it all. Then again.

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Originally posted by RAM:
 I have buffed sometimes. Last time was 2 tours ago on a long way mission to bish HQ, the last big mission I flew with JG2.


So basically you haven't been in one at all since the guns were changed and toughness moved. And even back then you stayed out of them.

gunnery is that of a turbolaser. I dont fly planes to prove anything.
(BTW one of those 2 kills was at 1.2K,and I killed one F4U1-C at 1.4K when gunning for someone ,back in v1.1    )

1.1 is not now. now is now. And I buff allot. and I NEVER get kills past 1.2k. And those are idiots trying to run right up my bellybutton I have been plastering since 1.5.


1-never attack a buff unless:
a) you are in cooperation with friedlies
b) you have 5-10K of alt advantage.

WOO HOO.

Damn it ram- you just repeated the EXACT tactics the luftwaffe had in WWII. A lone high buff wasn't in much danger only a low one. And fighters still went 3-5k above it to attack.


Buffs ARE fine damn it. I fly the B-26 every night at least 2 or 3 sorties. To kill an attacker requires allot of bullets as the attack HO and it takes a whack of .50 cal to kill that way. To dissuade takes almost as much as most people are SUICIDAL attacking buffs. if you hear ping pang at 1.2k WHY THE HELL ARE YOU BARRELLING IN?????

In RL no moron would do that like AH does, darwin would have him by the balls.

I sincerely suggest RAM- that you take some serious amounts of buff runs in the MA before accusing them of having turbolasers or being out of skew. because it just is not so.