Norwegin Aces

[Slash27]

To the sons and daughters of Norway who stood up to the aggressors, fought back, aided their allies, and stood by us for decades as NATO members against the terror of The Soviet Union.

Thats all this thread was about. A proud Norwegian paying homage to them. I apologize to the group for letting the flames get out of hand but I felt no-one had the right to insult these Allies of ours. Not in a thread like this.

geez, I just got all misty.

[Bronk]

Waaaa My "did you come under fire?" qualification failed. Now I'll fling poo.

Did y'all get your new dickie boi BBS post translator? I did. 

[Rollins]

Sorry I'm late fellas.  Work and all keeping me busy.  I can't be bothered to read 9+ pages of posts, could someone give me the Cliff's Notes and bring me up to speed?

[Bronk]

Sorry I'm late fellas.  Work and all keeping me busy.  I can't be bothered to read 9+ pages of posts, could someone give me the Cliff's Notes and bring me up to speed?

Yes, the king of Norway bailed with the phat lewtz. One of his Generals surrendered and Quisling... well.... that speaks for itself.

That about covers it.

[DiabloTX]

Oh yeah, the Ameritexianz had their collective azzes handed to them at Teh Alamoz.

Yeah, what Bronk said.

[Ex-jazz]

The Norwegians... Except those annoying loud students, who are getting the bloody nose from locals...

The one of Coolest nation in Scandinavia. What a wonderful combination of the sea, mountains, Ingrid's and The Attitude.


These ht kind of dorks are getting their wisdom from the very biased culture, school, partens, who never faced the horror of the defensed of their OWN soil / house / wife / family against enemy on border.

Now these idiots are telling to the Scandinavians how bad we were that time. US IQ...

[Bronk]

These ht kind of dorks are getting their wisdom from the very biased culture, school, partens, who never faced the horror of the defensed of their OWN soil / house / wife / family against enemy on border.

So you're saying you have defended the above...personally? Wow .. didn't know you were that old.

[Rollins]

The Norwegians... Except those annoying loud students, who are getting the bloody nose from locals...

The one of Coolest nation in Scandinavia. What a wonderful combination of the sea, mountains, Ingrid's and The Attitude.


These ht kind of dorks are getting their wisdom from the very biased culture, school, partens, who never faced the horror of the defensed of their OWN soil / house / wife / family against enemy on border.

Now these idiots are telling to the Scandinavians how bad we were that time. US IQ...

This topic seems convoluted enough, the focal point seems to be Norway and it's surrender in WW2.  Now you're bringing Scandinavians into it?

[Ex-jazz]

So you're saying you have defended the above...personally? Wow .. didn't know you were that old.

Nope, I can still say today a DIRECT 'Thank You,  Oiva!' to my mothers brother for OUR Independence, language and way of life.

So, you were just having a yet another tour of duty?... While others were fighting for their existence?

[Hangtime]

Did y'all get your new dickie boi BBS post translator? I did. 

LOL.. I just plugged in the enigma machine the norwegians captured.  It still doesn't work. Mine comes up with 'Norway' is spelled 'No way did we surrender' and then it runs a Mac/PC commercial. John Hodgkins looks great in a Quisling suit, BTW.

Figures.

The Norwegians... Except those annoying loud students, who are getting the bloody nose from locals...

The one of Coolest nation in Scandinavia. What a wonderful combination of the sea, mountains, Ingrid's and The Attitude.

Yup. Norway was a very popular tourist spot and Stormtrooper R&R destination for the germans in WWII. It's natural beauty and accommodating people are legend.

These ht kind of dorks are getting their wisdom from the very biased culture, school, partens, who never faced the horror of the defensed of their OWN soil / house / wife / family against enemy on border.

Now these idiots are telling to the Scandinavians how bad we were that time. US IQ...

Well, those tenacious Finns with the Reindeer seemed to manage pretty well... seems they choose a different course when faced with those same choices. But hey.. why would you acknowledge Finlands tenacious defense of their homes... especially since they were successful where Norway was not.

Norway & Surrenders.. it's not just Euro Revisionism.. it's not just a policy; it's expected.

I mean, after all; what else could they do?

LOL!

[iTunes]

Some might want to check the facts behind the UK surrendering in Singapore also, no shame in that, it's all about saving lives, The actions of the Norwegians saved a lot of lives, a lot of them went on to fight again, Anyone of us (Of reasonable mind) would do the same, for anyone to base their views on Combat capabilities by the amount of dead and other casualities is a bit misguided, In no shape or form do I wish to appear as any sort of Armchair General etc, just basing my views on personal experience, nobody is a coward in these sitiuations- nobody.

[Bronk]

  Now you're bringing Scandinavians into it?

Hoping to ride the coattails Finland.

[Ex-jazz]

You are getting softer...  Only three us dorks are trying to bash me... Shame.



"Folks! It's a WW2 time! > Black corner: Germany and Blue corner: Norway... >Place the bets...."

Since the all mighty us cheap sale the finland with others to the russia, we didn't have a too much room for the surviving.

Laughs...

BTW
What about that your 'Tour of duty' vs our 'Scandinavian fight for life' question?

 

[DiabloTX]

This topic seems convoluted enough, the focal point seems to be Norway and it's surrender in WW2.  Now you're bringing Scandinavians into it?

You dumbazz, Scandinavia is a city, not a country!

[Hangtime]

Some might want to check the facts behind the UK surrendering in Singapore also, no shame in that, it's all about saving lives, The actions of the Norwegians saved a lot of lives, a lot of them went on to fight again, Anyone of us (Of reasonable mind) would do the same, for anyone to base their views on Combat capabilities by the amount of dead and other casualities is a bit misguided, In no shape or form do I wish to appear as any sort of Armchair General etc, just basing my views on personal experience, nobody is a coward in these sitiuations- nobody.

Prior to the collapse of Singapore, the Battle of Java Sea settled the question of re-supply and support of either the Philippines or Singapore. British, Dutch and American warships fought desperate battles.. and were overwhelmed. Losses were catastrophic for the British.. their entire force in Singapore was cut off, there would be No Retreat, No Dunkirk, no Evacuation of an Expeditionary Force as occurred in Norway.

On the evening of February 10, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, cabled Wavell, saying:

“    I think you ought to realise the way we view the situation in Singapore. It was reported to Cabinet by the C.I.G.S. [Chief of the Imperial General Staff, General Alan Brooke] that Percival has over 100,000 [sic] men, of whom 33,000 are British and 17,000 Australian. It is doubtful whether the Japanese have as many in the whole Malay Peninsula… In these circumstances the defenders must greatly outnumber Japanese forces who have crossed the straits, and in a well-contested battle they should destroy them. There must at this stage be no thought of saving the troops or sparing the population. The battle must be fought to the bitter end at all costs. The 18th Division has a chance to make its name in history. Commanders and senior officers should die with their troops. The honour of the British Empire and of the British Army is at stake. I rely on you to show no mercy to weakness in any form. With the Russians fighting as they are and the Americans so stubborn at Luzon, the whole reputation of our country and our race is involved. It is expected that every unit will be brought into close contact with the enemy and fight it out ...   ”

Wavell subsequently told Percival that the ground forces were to fight on to the end, and that there should not be a general surrender in Singapore.

On February 11, knowing that Japanese supplies were running perilously low, Yamashita decided to bluff and he called on Percival to "give up this meaningless and desperate resistance". By this stage the fighting strength of the 22nd Brigade—which had borne the brunt of the Japanese attacks—had been reduced to a few hundred men. The Japanese had captured the Bukit Timah area, including most of the allied ammunition and fuel and giving them control of the main water supplies.

The next day the allied lines stabilised around a small area in the south-east of the island and fought off determined Japanese assaults. Other units, including the Malayan 1st Infantry Brigade, had joined in. A Malayan platoon, led by Lt Adnan bin Saidi, held the Japanese for two days at the Battle of Pasir Panjang. His unit defended Bukit Chandu, an area which included a major allied ammunition store. Adnan was executed by the Japanese after his unit was overrun.

On February 13, with the Allies still losing ground, senior officers advised Percival to surrender in the interests of minimising civilian casualties. Percival refused, but unsuccessfully sought authority to surrender from his superiors.

The following day the remaining Allied units fought on; civilian casualties mounted as one million people crowded into the area still held by the Allies, and bombing and artillery fire intensified. Civilian authorities began to fear that the water supply would give out.

At about 1pm on February 14 Japanese soldiers approached the Alexandra Barracks Hospital. No resistance was offered by anyone in the building, but the Japanese attacked and killed the medical staff and some patients, including an allied corporal who was lying on an operating table. The following day about 200 male staff members and patients, many of them walking wounded, were ordered to walk about 400 metres to an industrial area. Anyone who fell on the way was bayoneted. The men were forced into a series of small, badly ventilated rooms and were imprisoned overnight without water. Some died during the night as a result of their treatment. The remainder were bayoneted the following morning.

By the morning of Chinese New Year, February 15, the Japanese had broken through the last line of defence and the Allies were running out of food and ammunition. The anti-aircraft guns had also run out of ammunition and were unable to repel any further Japanese air attacks which threatened to cause heavy casualties in the city centre.

At 9:30 a.m, Percival held a conference at Fort Canning with his senior commanders. Percival posed two alternatives. Either launch an immediate counter-attack to regain the reservoirs and the military food depots in the Bukit Timah region and drive the enemy's artillery off its commanding heights outside the town, or capitulate. All present agreed that no counter-attack was possible. Percival opted for surrender.

Earlier that day Percival had issued orders to destroy before 4 p.m. all secret and technical equipment, ciphers, codes, secret documents and heavy guns. Yamashita accepted his assurance that no ships or planes remained in Singapore. According to Tokyo's Domei News Agency Yamashita also accepted full responsibility for the lives of British and Australian troops, as well as British civilians remaining in Singapore.

The Japanese Occupation of Singapore had begun. The Japanese sought vengeance against the Chinese and to eliminate anyone who held anti-Japanese sentiment. The Imperial authorities were suspicious of the Chinese because of the Second Sino-Japanese War, and killed many in the Sook Ching Massacre. The other races of Singapore, such as the Malays and the Indians were not spared. The residents would suffer great hardships under Japanese rule over the following three and a half years.

Many of the British and Australian soldiers taken prisoner remained in Singapore's Changi Prison. Most  would never return home. Thousands of others were shipped on prisoner transports known as "hell ships" to other parts of Asia, including Japan, to be used as forced labour on projects such as the Siam-Burma Death Railway and Sandakan airfield in North Borneo. The majority of those aboard the ships perished.

iTunes, try as I might, I fail to see in any manner way shape or form any similarity between the fall of Singapore and it's consequences and the Norwegian Capitulation.