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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2008, 03:43:42 PM »
You stare confirmation in the face with the simple statement..."in my 50 years of living here, I have never seen that much snow" and yet you misinterpret that to mean climate change is FALSE. Would you like to take a minute and think of what you just said?  In actuality, more snow is directly associated with a warmer planet, due to the fact that there is more water in the atmosphere to work with, due to higher levels of evaporation.  Local temperature dictates how that precipitation will fall...in your case it fell as snow.   If the globe was cooling, snowfall and all precipitation in general would decrease overall, where in actuality, overall precip levels have increased steadily.  The things that have changed are the ways that precipitation gets distributed, which is why the southeast is in such a bad drought for 15 years.  
 

Making an assertion that global warming is false because it's cold in winter in your backyard is about as idiotic as saying it's true because it's hot during the summer.

Yup I can see it now snowing on the Thames when it was iced over..... let's see... oh yes must have been all the automobiles being driven back in the early 1600s. Here all this time I was listening to these scientists saying it is a normal cycle of Earth. This was back when all the "Medicine Shows" were held on the back of a wagon, not on TV.

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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2008, 05:01:06 PM »
You have to remember guys, it's no longer global warming. It's 'climate change'. That pretty much covers it all. Including snow in Arizona in July. Moray is in fact right. Snow doesn't actually disprove a warming planet, however counter intuitive that may seem.

It doesn't matter about the debate. In my opinion the next couple of years will make or break the theory. Given all the gloomy predictions we have been subjected to recently. The warmists need at least one to actually happen soon or everyone will be a skeptic. All the ice needs to melt one summer in the arctic. As a skeptic I don't believe it will ever happen. We only have to wait.

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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2008, 05:29:42 PM »
We are losing 2 minutes of daylight every day since June , in the Northern Hemisphere , and scientists predict if we don't do something about it, we'll be plunged into total darkness by June 2009.
Global Warming is being blamed for it.

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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2008, 05:43:58 PM »
What really got me rolling on the floor laughing at the king of arrogance (Al Gore) was his belief that an essential green house gas (essential meaning without CO2 the Earth would be in a perpetual state of ice age) causes runaway warming. The reality is that the ocean releases the gas when it (the ocean) is warmed by the sun and when the Earth cools then the ocean absorbs CO2. Its a great act Gore can milk for decades.
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2008, 07:56:25 PM »
The reality is that the ocean releases the gas when it (the ocean) is warmed by the sun and when the Earth cools then the ocean absorbs CO2. Its a great act Gore can milk for decades.

Challenge, with all due respect, the reality is you don't know what you are talking about.  The "ocean" does not absorb CO2.  Plants do that...plankton that uses chlorophyll to make adenosine triphosphate.  The ocean cannot absorb CO2..... unless you figure out where exactly it can fit into the H2O bond (something which is impossible).  This is why H2O and CO2 are common products in many reactions..... they can't combine. There is no free area where CO2 can be absorbed into the bond structure.



 The ocean is known as a carbon "sink" because these animals die and "sink" to the bottom, taking the CO2 with them, where it stays in limbo in a free state, under supercooled conditions, until an upwelling brings it back to the surface, where it can be released.

Like most, please take a few minutes to learn prior to posting, or simply ask.  Statements such as what you just made are misleading and overtly false. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2008, 08:15:52 PM »
Challenge, with all due respect, the reality is you don't know what you are talking about.  The "ocean" does not absorb CO2.  Plants do that...plankton that uses chlorophyll to make adenosine triphosphate.  The ocean cannot absorb CO2..... unless you figure out where exactly it can fit into the H2O bond (something which is impossible).  This is why H2O and CO2 are common products in many reactions..... they can't combine. There is no free area where CO2 can be absorbed into the bond structure.
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 The ocean is known as a carbon "sink" because these animals die and "sink" to the bottom, taking the CO2 with them, where it stays in limbo in a free state, under supercooled conditions, until an upwelling brings it back to the surface, where it can be released.

Like most, please take a few minutes to learn prior to posting, or simply ask.  Statements such as what you just made are misleading and overtly false. 

I know you love the oceans but this time you stepped in something that might be wet but I wouldnt swim in it. I did read and I learned from reading which you dont seem to do so well at (or failed research 101). I think you take things too seriously and love to put people down. Please refrain from this in the future it makes you look bad.

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The ocean absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere in an attempt to reach equilibrium by direct air-to-sea exchange.

http://harvardmagazine.com/2002/11/the-ocean-carbon-cycle.html

From NewScientist:  (This is actually an attempt to FORCE global warming to be a viable topic)

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One of the world's largest carbon sinks has stopped soaking up the carbon dioxide that humans are pumping into the atmosphere, according to a new study.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11876-southern-ocean-already-losing-ability-to-absorb-cosub2sub.html

Hmmmmmm you were wrong on that one!

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They also play a vital role in removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, which could break down.

http://www.habitablezone.com/flame/messages/531704.html
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2008, 08:57:37 PM »
We are losing 2 minutes of daylight every day since June , in the Northern Hemisphere , and scientists predict if we don't do something about it, we'll be plunged into total darkness by June 2009.
Global Warming is being blamed for it.
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Re: Top 10 global warming predictions
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2008, 08:58:21 PM »
Got a foot and a half of snow last night, they can shove it
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2008, 02:30:37 AM »
Challenge, with all due respect, the reality is you don't know what you are talking about.  The "ocean" does not absorb CO2.  Plants do that...plankton that uses chlorophyll to make adenosine triphosphate.  The ocean cannot absorb CO2..... unless you figure out where exactly it can fit into the H2O bond (something which is impossible).  This is why H2O and CO2 are common products in many reactions..... they can't combine. There is no free area where CO2 can be absorbed into the bond structure.
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Like most, please take a few minutes to learn prior to posting, or simply ask.  Statements such as what you just made are misleading and overtly false. 
MORAY, you should apply your own advice to yourself. CO2 dissolves in water and I bet you've seen it a million times - in your soda drinks. The ratio between the dissolved and gas phases, like in every two-way reaction equilibrium depends on the temperature. There is by far more CO2 dissolved in the earth's oceans than in the atmosphere. This acts as a reservoir that release/dissolve CO2 as the temperatures change - warming causes an increase in atmospheric CO2, not the other way around. Most of the CO2 released by humans / animals / volcanoes / whathaveyou goes into the ocean instead of increasing atmospheric CO2, corresponding to the equilibrium fractions.

CO2 is an incredibly inefficient greenhouse gas. Almost the entire effect is caused by water vapor and methane with a tiny contribution of the CO2. In addition, what a lot of people (including MANY scientists) don't understand is how radiation transfer work. The greatest effect of changing atmospheric composition is to change the vertical thermal structure of the atmosphere - not necessarily and usually hardly changing the temperature at the base. Latest full-3D radiation transfer calculations give a change of 0.05 of a degree (at ground level) for composition with double atmospheric CO2. Even 50 times atmospheric CO2 does not give more than 1/2 a degree at ground level. Granted, these model make some simplifying assumptions, but still several orders of magnitude better than what global climate models use. Global climate models use an extremely simplified atmospheric model. This is OK for small variations and if you want an accuracy of +-5 degrees, not for creating a global panic.
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2008, 02:34:11 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2008, 02:40:04 AM »



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You stare confirmation in the face with the simple statement..."in my 50 years of living here, I have never seen that much snow" and yet you misinterpret that to mean climate change is FALSE. Would you like to take a minute and think of what you just said?  In actuality, more snow is directly associated with a warmer planet, due to the fact that there is more water in the atmosphere to work with, due to higher levels of evaporation.  Local temperature dictates how that precipitation will fall...in your case it fell as snow.   If the globe was cooling, snowfall and all precipitation in general would decrease overall, where in actuality, overall precip levels have increased steadily.  The things that have changed are the ways that precipitation gets distributed, which is why the southeast is in such a bad drought for 15 years. 
 

Making an assertion that global warming is false because it's cold in winter in your backyard is about as idiotic as saying it's true because it's hot during the summer.

When continental drift creates mountains, or when a continent drifts over a pole, then snow starts to fall. Snow reflects the Sun's heat back into space, so cooling the Earth. Overabundance of snow eventually cools the atmosphere. This is not a year or 2. This is like decades. It was caused by the probable merging of continents but this remains a fact: There was many years if not decades of massive amounts of snow that never melted. Ice age is always interpreted as sub zero temps. 32 degrees is all it takes. The avg. temp of the world was drastically reduced but there still were season changes. We will never know how warm summer was. Maybe it was 30 maybe 50 in the equator region. It did warm up to start the thaw but never totally melted. This compacted the snow to "ice". The next year the same thing happened thus starting the ice age!

Moving continents also change the flow of water from one ocean to another and mountains affect the winds. So in many ways continental drift affects the climate. Eventually continental drift separates the continents, weathering wears down the mountains, and the climate goes back to its normal warm state. If continental drift happens in cycles, that would explain why ice ages seem to occur every 250 million years or so.

Another theory notes that sometimes in history there were mountains without an ice age. Perhaps changes outside the Earth also played a part in starting ice ages. Changes in the Sun or its movement round the Galaxy might have lessened the sunlight reaching the Earth. It takes about 250 million years for the Sun to travel once round the Galaxy. Coincidence?

Seeing it takes so long for these cycles to happen, it is reality we are in global warming. The weather does have patterns but it is very unlikely the avg. temp of the air and our oceans rise over a few decades so drastically. Just because we may be having a cold winter or more snow is masking the fact our environment is suffering from global warming. Earth does not lose 1/3 of its glaciers in just 1 or 2 decades. Ocean temps do not rise 2 degrees in 1 or 2 decades unless the sun moved out of position or a freak event happened.



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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2008, 10:01:33 AM »
I thought the last ice age was caused by a big meteorite striking earth and the big dust cloud 'shaded' the sun causing the cooling.

It's been snowing here 6 months of the year for centuries and not resulting in an 'ice age'. 

Climate changing?  Sure.  Global Warming?  Still not proven.  Should we look at ways to cut down on pollution, sure that would be the
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2008, 04:28:34 PM »
Skern. I believe it wasn't. Ask Skuzzy that was 250 million years ago.... LOL
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« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2008, 04:33:21 PM »
Moray read my post above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. The idiotic statement seems to be......ummmmm.... kinda reversed. Wouldn't you agree?
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« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2008, 04:39:50 PM »
I love it when the laymen lecture the scientists.  Keep at it gentlemen.  Where's my popcorn?
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