Author Topic: Porking Ords  (Read 1648 times)

Offline Shuffler

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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2008, 03:05:47 PM »
Agreed..... If you can fight .. then fight..... if you can't... then pork. Something for everyone.

I laugh usually as I get a proxie and no real harm is done to the base. It can be defended till the hangars are down even with no bombs or dar.
« Last Edit: December 22, 2008, 03:10:28 PM by Shuffler »
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2008, 03:27:18 PM »
But I do both  :aok
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2008, 09:26:47 PM »
Some might consider this attitude gamey because when the attacker has no desire for survival, interception and defense of an asset goes from being difficult to nigh impossible. Some might even consider deliberately kamikaze'ing over and over again to "take the base" and "win" the pretend war a tiny bit disrespectful of the men who actually died in the various horrible ways available to a combat pilot.

Or at least kind of silly.

My mind set when I pork is to ignore the fighters and destory the enemy's assests.  And when I get shot down, there's a shiny new plane waiting for me back at the hanger.  Lots of fun for me, also it tunes down the country channel complants that bases are being over run and no one is helping, making it more fun for me.  I'm sorry that the opposite side of it doesn't have fun, but I pay 14.95 a month to have MY fun.  If someone paid it for me, I would be sure to make it fun for them.
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2008, 07:48:56 AM »
Some might consider this attitude gamey because when the attacker has no desire for survival, interception and defense of an asset goes from being difficult to nigh impossible. Some might even consider deliberately kamikaze'ing over and over again to "take the base" and "win" the pretend war a tiny bit disrespectful of the men who actually died in the various horrible ways available to a combat pilot.

Or at least kind of silly.
 

Heh.  At least.

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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2008, 07:56:12 AM »
Part of the problem is that the ammo bunkers are nicely grouped together. On a small base, it takes just one pass with a cannon plane to take out the ords.

I think that more bunkers should be added to all fields and dispersed all around the field, forcing the single porker to have to make multiple passes to take out the ords. This would allow some sort of defense against the porker, and if a defense cannot be formed quick enough, the auto-ack should make the task difficult at best.

If a side wants to take out the ords at any airfield, it should require a concerted effort of multiple aircraft to accomplish the task. When 1 plane can disable any strat so easily ... something is wrong.
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2008, 08:08:21 AM »
Part of the problem is that the ammo bunkers are nicely grouped together. On a small base, it takes just one pass with a cannon plane to take out the ords.

If a side wants to take out the ords at any airfield, it should require a concerted effort of multiple aircraft to accomplish the task. When 1 plane can disable any strat so easily ... something is wrong.

Sometimes I dive-bomb the ord, but because I value patience and survivability, more often I level-bomb it because I'm one of the few that has the patience to do so. One pass on small airfield. One pass on medium airfield (can kill radar in line also). Two passes on large airfield. Even fast moving Ki67's work. I am very rarely intercepted while porking, even at 8K. I might get one kill in a sortie before landing.
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2008, 08:49:13 AM »
Sometimes I dive-bomb the ord, but because I value patience and survivability, more often I level-bomb it because I'm one of the few that has the patience to do so. One pass on small airfield. One pass on medium airfield (can kill radar in line also). Two passes on large airfield. Even fast moving Ki67's work. I am very rarely intercepted while porking, even at 8K. I might get one kill in a sortie before landing.

My post was directed more at the 190 "suicide wonders" in the MW, not bombers. At the same time, you have also pointed out that a single set of level bombers or single bomber can wreak havoc with the current alignment of the strats on an airfield.

If I was running a base (small airfield as an example), I surely wouldn't have all my ammo bunkers (all 2 of them  :rolleyes:) and radar so nicely lined up so that a single pass (by fighter or bomber) could render my field useless.
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2008, 08:54:46 AM »

If I was running a base (small airfield as an example), I surely wouldn't have all my ammo bunkers (all 2 of them  :rolleyes:) and radar so nicely lined up so that a single pass (by fighter or bomber) could render my field useless.

Good point. Revising the ord huts to 3 - small field, 4 - medium field, 5 - large field and spreading them out as suggested would be my wish.

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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2008, 09:00:16 AM »
At the same time, you have also pointed out that a single set of level bombers or single bomber can wreak havoc with the current alignment of the strats on an airfield.

Like this?  First pass, take down two fighter hangars, turn around and take down the offset fighter hangar and vehicle hangar.  Base effectively closed except for defenders in Il-2s, all in 5 minutes and accomplished by a single player.

If there were no drones, only the Lancaster would have enough ords for a single pilot to do this.
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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2008, 09:16:01 AM »
Good point. Revising the ord huts to 3 - small field, 4 - medium field, 5 - large field and spreading them out as suggested would be my wish.

More like ... 5 ... 6 ... 7 ... sounds good to me.

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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2008, 09:26:22 AM »
Some might consider this attitude gamey because when the attacker has no desire for survival, interception and defense of an asset goes from being difficult to nigh impossible. Some might even consider deliberately kamikaze'ing over and over again to "take the base" and "win" the pretend war a tiny bit disrespectful of the men who actually died in the various horrible ways available to a combat pilot.

Or at least kind of silly.


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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2008, 07:20:19 PM »
They did the same thing with fighter hangars on small field from AH1 to 2.  They were in a line and all 3 could be taken in a single pass.  I think things shouls stay as they are.  If not in 38, I will drop from b17s also.

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Re: Porking Ords
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2008, 08:20:28 AM »
How hard would it be to have a couple of different designs for each size airfield? Then the incoming porker couldn't just home in on a known point.