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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2008, 04:55:16 PM »
sweet bows fellas :)

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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2008, 06:42:28 PM »
sweet bows fellas :)

Wolfy

Thanks Wolfy, even though you look like you use the enemies product ;o).  Post some pics of yours!
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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2008, 06:44:56 PM »
technically $40.00. he asked us to both donate 20.  :rofl

i think i'm jealous of those bows. i

i just finished mounting my traxis sight. it was a righty sight....but i adapted it to my bow anyway. it's too dark outside though to try to adjust it. maybe this weekend, i'll go to AIM, where i shoot......and get it adjusted in.



I am hoping the archery shop here is open tomorrow, been itching to go shoot with all this archery speak.  Let me know how the sight works out, I'm sure you require some imagination being a left handed shooter adapting accessories.
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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2008, 12:58:12 AM »
Awesome!! I use to target practice with a conventional fiberglass bow aiming at several bales of straw by my garage. Soon I stopped though to fix all the holes in the garage.

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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2008, 08:44:07 PM »
Thanks Wolfy, even though you look like you use the enemies product ;o).  Post some pics of yours!

Enemies product?.....nah...just shoot what feels good to ya and shoot often. They are all good.



What is pictured is my Prestige with my spot set-up. I'm hoping at some point Spot-Hogg will re-issue the Hoggernaut. I'll replace my Toxonics with that. For 3D I switch out to the Hogg-It and shoot Mens Release for IBO and Unlimited for ASA.
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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2008, 09:32:15 AM »
Very nice! Are those ACC's you are shooting?
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2008, 11:47:05 AM »
Very nice! Are those ACC's you are shooting?

yes. I only use those for spots though. I took my time building that batch. I was maybe a bit anal about it all. Over the dozen of that batch, all shaftes were broken down, floated, indexed, components weighed, and my lightest arrow came out to be 389.7 and the heaviest is 390.4. I figure there are some folks have more patience to close the gap tighter, but I settled with what I got.

The Lightspeeds for me 3D setup weigh out at like 294. I didnt really spec those out.

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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2008, 12:54:53 PM »
yes. I only use those for spots though. I took my time building that batch. I was maybe a bit anal about it all. Over the dozen of that batch, all shaftes were broken down, floated, indexed, components weighed, and my lightest arrow came out to be 389.7 and the heaviest is 390.4. I figure there are some folks have more patience to close the gap tighter, but I settled with what I got.

The Lightspeeds for me 3D setup weigh out at like 294. I didnt really spec those out.

I have always wondered, having never gone through that whole process whether or not there is an actual tangible improvement or if it is just a mental gain in confidence? What do you think? Obviously the closer in weight your arrows are the better, but floating them, do you think that works?  And, what exactly does it do?  Doesn't it have something to do with finding which part of the arrow spine is stiffest?
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« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2008, 05:31:29 PM »
I have always wondered, having never gone through that whole process whether or not there is an actual tangible improvement or if it is just a mental gain in confidence? What do you think? Obviously the closer in weight your arrows are the better, but floating them, do you think that works?  And, what exactly does it do?  Doesn't it have something to do with finding which part of the arrow spine is stiffest?

Odbal, it was really all an experiment to see just what would happen and if I could have the patience to do it to the degree I did. What I was looking to do was establish some consistancy in my shafts. So yes it did give me a gain in confidence knowing that I didnt have to ask myself "how would my arrows possibly fly different if I had floated and indexed them?".

Floating finds the heaviest part of the arrow or the seam. Some argue that carbons dont have a seam, but I have found they do have a heavy side. So when I find my heavy side I mark the top with a marker and know that the heavy side is on the bottom. I'll then fletch my cock feather directly above the seam. All my shafts have the seam on the 6 o'clock postition. It doesnt matter where its at as long as all your arrows in your batch are indexed to the same location. Again i'm just looking at developing a consistancy between shafts. Now is there enough to notice a difference.....I think there is. I had a previous set of 3-49 ACC's that I didnt index the seam on and they each flew a lil more unpredictable. I number my shafts and over time I get a feel for what each shaft is going to do. I found my indexed shafts did hit a more consistant spot over the batch than did the ones that werent indexed. I will also admit I entertain the fact that manufactoring tolerances, fatigue, and concentration also played a part in my observations over time. Some days are just better than others on the line/ stake.

The closer the weight the better. In terms of just numbers alone, its cool to know that less than one grain difference over twleve shafts is pretty sweet, but I could be possibly be off as much as 6 grains and still have same point of impact at 20 yards. At 45yards the 400's have a ever so slight drop that can be compensated for. My setup puts me on the bubble of a 400 or 500 Easton shaft. I had gotten low on arrows and had a shoot comming up that I needed more arrows of a type than what I had of each 400 and 500. I shoot Lightspeed 500's at 27 1/2" with 100 grain nibs at 294. I rebuilt my 400's at 27 1/2" with 80 grain tips and they came out like 303grains. I have a 26 1/2" - 27" draw, bow is set at 56lbs with 65% let off. Both arrows shoot 279-284 fps + or - 3%. My FOC's and spine are off though, 500(correctly spined)= 14.06 and the 400(stiff)= 10.72 (archers advantage numbers). 10's are my friend. 12's and 14's are icing on the cake.

Hope I answered your question there. Feel like I may have skirted it a lil.

Wolfy

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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2008, 05:43:53 PM »
Thanks Wolfy, I may give that a shot next time I get new shafts.
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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2008, 05:58:36 PM »
Odbal, it was really all an experiment to see just what would happen and if I could have the patience to do it to the degree I did. What I was looking to do was establish some consistancy in my shafts. So yes it did give me a gain in confidence knowing that I didnt have to ask myself "how would my arrows possibly fly different if I had floated and indexed them?".

Floating finds the heaviest part of the arrow or the seam. Some argue that carbons dont have a seam, but I have found they do have a heavy side. So when I find my heavy side I mark the top with a marker and know that the heavy side is on the bottom. I'll then fletch my cock feather directly above the seam. All my shafts have the seam on the 6 o'clock postition. It doesnt matter where its at as long as all your arrows in your batch are indexed to the same location. Again i'm just looking at developing a consistancy between shafts. Now is there enough to notice a difference.....I think there is. I had a previous set of 3-49 ACC's that I didnt index the seam on and they each flew a lil more unpredictable. I number my shafts and over time I get a feel for what each shaft is going to do. I found my indexed shafts did hit a more consistant spot over the batch than did the ones that werent indexed. I will also admit I entertain the fact that manufactoring tolerances, fatigue, and concentration also played a part in my observations over time. Some days are just better than others on the line/ stake.

The closer the weight the better. In terms of just numbers alone, its cool to know that less than one grain difference over twleve shafts is pretty sweet, but I could be possibly be off as much as 6 grains and still have same point of impact at 20 yards. At 45yards the 400's have a ever so slight drop that can be compensated for. My setup puts me on the bubble of a 400 or 500 Easton shaft. I had gotten low on arrows and had a shoot comming up that I needed more arrows of a type than what I had of each 400 and 500. I shoot Lightspeed 500's at 27 1/2" with 100 grain nibs at 294. I rebuilt my 400's at 27 1/2" with 80 grain tips and they came out like 303grains. I have a 26 1/2" - 27" draw, bow is set at 56lbs with 65% let off. Both arrows shoot 279-284 fps + or - 3%. My FOC's and spine are off though, 500(correctly spined)= 14.06 and the 400(stiff)= 10.72 (archers advantage numbers). 10's are my friend. 12's and 14's are icing on the cake.

Hope I answered your question there. Feel like I may have skirted it a lil.

Wolfy


wow!

i never knew there was that much to our arrows. i generally went with what "felt" good.
i also only really shoot aluminium arrows too though.......i use drop away rests on both bows, so i put the cock vane up.

 i definitly learned a LOT in those couple paragraphs though.

thanks!!

BTW....the "informal" indoor league i shoot in pa, there's about 20 to 25 of us shooting. all but 3 or 4 of us are shooting matthews........me, another lefty, and 1 or 2 others are the only hoyts.

 i think it's the archer though, not the arrow, or bow.......i had a pse...didn't like at all......a martin.......liked it a lot, but wanted the camo hoyt i havew pictured, and couldn't afford to keep em both at the time.......and these 2 hoyts. i love the way they feel. the camo bow is extremely light, and good for the 3D shoots. the flamed bow is noticably heavier, but even so, i feel as if i can hold it a bit steadier for a bit longer when shooting it indoors.

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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2008, 06:02:15 PM »
Cap, it's not the shooter it is the bow, keep your Hoyt and you will always be better! J/K, although I do love my Hoyt's :o).   Speaking of loving my Hoyt's, I'm off to the Archery range!
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« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2008, 06:05:02 PM »
Cap, it's not the shooter it is the bow, keep your Hoyt and you will always be better! J/K, although I do love my Hoyt's :o).   Speaking of loving my Hoyt's, I'm off to the Archery range!

lucky bastage....i hafta shower and then go to a staff meeting.  :cry
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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2008, 01:11:39 AM »
Hoyts are great bows. I dont like their draw cycles on their cams. I find they are a bit harsh. I like a gradual build throughout the draw up to the let off. I found the Hoyts to have a bit of stagger in the power curve of the cams. Dont take that as a bash cause its not meant to be. Just an observation based on preference. I think Bowtechs have some of the harshest drawing cams while the Mathews, PSE-NRG cams, and the Ross all have a bit of smoother power curve I take more of a liking to.

I think the biggest majority of bows being sold today are all great bows that offer the future as well as existing shooters a great selection to choose from. The shop I shoot for has a great selections from Hoyt, Mathews, PSE, Bowtech, Ross, Quest***COUGH***ross, and a few other odd mixes. At some point I do end up getting to shoot them all and it wouldnt be fair to bash any one of them cause they are all great shooters. Shoot what ya brung and have fun shooting.

Archery is a very old sport. Its one of those things that really has stood the test of time and I'm always happy to see others taking part in keeping history alive. Granted archery isnt today what it was in the old days, specialy with these mechanical marvels some of us shoot. I think it will be intersting to see where it ends up.

Looks like I get to go shoot some tomorrow.  :aok

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Re: ODBAL, hoyt pics.
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2008, 09:50:21 AM »
Hoyts are great bows. I dont like their draw cycles on their cams. I find they are a bit harsh. I like a gradual build throughout the draw up to the let off. I found the Hoyts to have a bit of stagger in the power curve of the cams. Dont take that as a bash cause its not meant to be. Just an observation based on preference. I think Bowtechs have some of the harshest drawing cams while the Mathews, PSE-NRG cams, and the Ross all have a bit of smoother power curve I take more of a liking to.

I think the biggest majority of bows being sold today are all great bows that offer the future as well as existing shooters a great selection to choose from. The shop I shoot for has a great selections from Hoyt, Mathews, PSE, Bowtech, Ross, Quest***COUGH***ross, and a few other odd mixes. At some point I do end up getting to shoot them all and it wouldnt be fair to bash any one of them cause they are all great shooters. Shoot what ya brung and have fun shooting.

Archery is a very old sport. Its one of those things that really has stood the test of time and I'm always happy to see others taking part in keeping history alive. Granted archery isnt today what it was in the old days, specialy with these mechanical marvels some of us shoot. I think it will be intersting to see where it ends up.

Looks like I get to go shoot some tomorrow.  :aok

Wolfy

Well put, Although I am quite biased I know as well as anyone it is the great Ford/Chevy debate.  Is one really better than the other? (Yes, the Chevy obviously).  It is all about personal preference.  For me, I am locked into Hoyt.  My good friend is the Human Resources Manager for Hoyt and I would be down 1 friend if I shot anything else, plus living 10 minutes from where they are made if there ever was an issue with it there would be no need to send it off for weeks at a time to get it fixed.  Living in Utah there are really 3 brands you see.  Hoyt, Mathews, and PSE (including AR and Browning in the PSE Mix).  Personally I don't like PSE's, I think they are ugly and hate the way they shoot.  I drove about an hour to the nearest Bowtech dealer a couple years ago and shot the Tribute model when it was new, I was impressed with it and thought it shot great.  I don't think I have seen more than 1 person shooting a Bowtech at my local shop here though.
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