Author Topic: Bomb drops on ground. (Read 704 times)

Hamish · « **on:** June 21, 2001, 02:24:00 AM »

I feel that bomb drops should be disabled while on ground. I know people have brought this point up before, but i never saw any response one way or the other. It would prevent the people that roll buffs over an m3 dropping troops into the maproom and suiciding to prevent a field capture. I don't mind getting straffed into oblivion in a GV, but come on, rolling a bomber over a gv and dropping? it seems a bit much. even for me.

Hamish out!

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2001, 02:34:00 AM »

We had this sortie today where we were taking a5.

You just knew that the inevitable was going to happen as our C47 rolled up to the map room and 1 plane was there to vulch with hangars up. The car bombing was going to commense.

Right as the C47 pulled up to the map room... he released his troops and BAM!!! We captured the base.

You see... we had taken the 15 seconds required to kill the ammo bunkers.

AKDejaVu

Dmitry · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2001, 05:31:00 AM »

yeah That is what always should be done... straffe 2-3 ammo crates and no car bombing... no pain... all is fare.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 21, 2001, 05:15:00 PM »

Actually the car bombing is not an unrealistic tactic...

Retreating armies historically would destroy bridges, burn buildings, poison wells - just to deny the advancing army anything usefull.

nexus

Hamish · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2001, 06:16:00 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus:
Actually the car bombing is not an unrealistic tactic...
nexus

You mean to tell me, that a pilot, would jump into his airplane, drive it over to an armed troop transport and drop a bomb on it killing himself not only the troops running into his "map" room is "realistic"?

Please.

I'm not worried about the realism of the tactic, I think of it as a side effect of being able to release bombs while on the runway. I do believe that buff guns originally were enabled while the buffs were on the ground. Then it was changed for "playability" to prevent Ackstars from doing the same thing during base capture. This is a "gameplay" issue, and i'm providing my feedback to it. If i remember right, most buff's couldn't drop bombs while they were on the ground anyway, feel free to correct me if i am wrong.

regards,

Hamish!

[ 06-21-2001: Message edited by: Hamish ]

DmdNexus · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2001, 08:09:00 PM »

Hamish,

To my understanding WWII iron bombs were triggered by an impact pin inside the nose, and the nose had to be crumpled a certain amount before that pin would trigger the charge.

Simply dropping the bomb from two to three feet would not cause it to explode.

Desparate people do desparate things during war. i.e. Kamakazis, there were even kamakazi torpedo drivers.

Who's to say they didn't bypass the firing pin and added a car battery trigger.
Nexus

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2001, 12:14:00 AM »

Fuzes come in many shapes and forms. Anyone that thinks there is a specific way to detonate a bomb is mistaken. Where there is a will there is a way.

Anyone that thinks that it is unrealistic for a pilot to: " jump into his airplane, drive it over to an armed troop transport and drop a bomb on it killing himself not only the troops running into his "map" room " is unrealistic needs to evaluate just how realistic it is for a vehicle with only 10 soldiers to drive unopposed into an occupied airfield.

AKDejaVu

Yeager · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2001, 12:28:00 AM »

Lucid point AKD and well generalized.

For me, the game needs to put some barriers up to prevent total mass dweebery. Im not sure how to do this, Ill leave that to HT and Pyro -but spawning OTG and dropping a bomb blowing yourelf up and any other NMY plane within 400 feet is about as arcadish and childish as it gets. AH has the framework to be truly splendid, I mean maximus excellentis! Folks like you should push for it whenever possible!

I only wish to see the bar raised where possible, never lowered.

Y

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2001, 12:30:00 AM »

Ummm.. whatever yeager.

Its just that HTC has put things in place to prevent this from happening. Its just that there aren't many people willing to do it.

DESTROY THE AMMO BUNKERS. If you don't.. you risk the consequences.

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2001, 12:31:00 AM »

I can't help but wonder why it is I've never seen this happen.

AKDejaVu

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2001, 01:03:00 AM »

DJVU why the hell are you so conservative man? You protest every proposed change to AH as if your life depended on things staying the same...

Honestly DJVU why do you always act you like this?

Do you resist everything new and different in your real life? I suppose you only buy USA made goods as well, cuz fer damn straight sure them furners cant do nuthin as good as us...

(joke)

Right?

DmdNexus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2001, 01:32:00 AM »

I agree destroy the ammo bunkers solves the problem... almost...

the IL-2 still has forward firing guns enabled that it can use to strafe the troops.

Perhaps these should be disabled.

Nexus

Hamish · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2001, 02:34:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:

Anyone that thinks that it is unrealistic for a pilot to: " jump into his airplane, drive it over to an armed troop transport and drop a bomb on it killing himself not only the troops running into his "map" room " is unrealistic needs to evaluate just how realistic it is for a vehicle with only 10 soldiers to drive unopposed into an occupied airfield.
AKDejaVu

I don't quite understand what you were trying to say here deja, wre you trying to say i am being unrealistic? or that expecting realism by me is unrealistic? or, that i think it's unrealistic to be realistic about unrealism? sorry, thoroughly confused by this whole statement.

But, maybe to clarify, yeager sums it up pretty well. I don't know that i'd use the word "dweebish" (i just personaly don't like to use the term) but it's Close. That's what i think of things like "car bombing"
I didn't write this to turn into a flamefest between people of differing opinions, and i apologize if i offended anyone so far, nexus. I didn't mean to.
I hadn't thought of the ammo bunkers, for sure that does solve the problem, but my point is, this shouldn't be a problem that has to be solved in this manner. (i'm rusty been gone from AH for 6 months going to school) Before yesterday i had never seen anyone do this either. When i did see it, it just erked me. I thought i'd post about it here, as this was the forum for feedback on gameplay issues, and well the last time i checked, it's mainly for HTC's attention. feel free to state your opinion, but, this wasn't written to you, or for you, it's for HTC.Thanks for your time

regards,

Hamish!

P.S. Deja, I admire your enthusiasm, but i think your foundation for the arguments a little weak

Professor Fate · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2001, 04:51:00 PM »

"Car bombing' is dweebery of the highest order however it is whats called a last ditch attempt to save the field which I can understand it's just the method is dweeby. I should be able to salvage some of the enemies resources for my own use after I capture the field. It's good tactics not to level the place otherwise ya can't use the dern thing 'till it's repaired.

Suggestion: Make available for one time use two teams of a certain number of AI troops at the field being attacked that can be sent out to ignite fuses and blow up the map room so all invading goons are killed or lite fuses that destroys the entire air field leaving nothing for the victors to use.

Using them to kill the goons invading a map room would probably require that once all the invading goons are inside there would be a delay before a capture is registered. This would allow the invading goons to be killed in the exposion IF the AI troops got to their destination without getting killed. The second team could be sent to another building that has fuses igniting charges that destroy the entire air field, again only if the AI troops make it to their destination. They would have the same icon setting as other troops so they could be seen by planes and GV's. But unlike goons if anyone of them make it to their destination charges go off and KaBoom!

Ok just rambling hope someone can make sense of what I just said I can't

[ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: Professor Fate ]

Ripsnort · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2001, 10:54:00 AM »

Car bombing is a way of saying "I suck at preventing you from attacking my airfield, and I am a dweeb of the highest order" in my opinion. I've never done it, never would condone it in my squadron, and if your squadron condones it, you're mud in my eyes.

This is what drives people away from the game. I could give a crap if someone forgot to take out the Ammo bunkers, blowing ones self up to prevent a field capture is lower than the slime that the slime scrapes off their shoes.

IMO.

Edit: Its not limited to C47's either, now , folks like NHCouger do it while sitting on runway, and when someone swoops down, they release their bomb(s) (depnding of fighter or bomber) to kill you. He even said it was as valid of a tactic as vulching! LOL, here we have only a handful of fighters, capping a field, with goon on approach, denying the enemy to take off so our goon can capture, and the only tactic he finds valid is by eliminating all the cappers by spawning, releasing bombs, killing self and capper, rinse and repeat...I was VERY pissed...its a combination of things like this that will cause 'those on the edge' to hit the delete account key (not saying I would, but hey!)
Now, granted, we *should* have taken out all hangars to prevent this, however, we were short on manpower (think Knights)...it still does NOT condone this kind of gaming the game, you just can't say "Well, its a a valid tactic if you didn't do your job!"...that BS deja and you know it.

HTC needs to address these sort of things, it could cause a potential loss of folks who are on for a two week trial or those folks who are 'on the edge' due to a few game play issues that have been raised in this gameplay forum.

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