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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2009, 08:40:18 PM »
Score definitely does mean something, but not an overwhelming amount.  When I was going for Fighter score, it took various skills to achieve a high rank but not an overwhelming amount of skill in any particular category.  For example, you have to pick good fights, have good aim, have good SA, good ACM to be able to hold your own, all the while not being timid because it'll kill your K/T. 
Since then, I've been spending most my time in the DA.  My ACM in general I feel is pretty solid but has gotten MUCH sharper since focusing on it.  I think each player decides for themselves how to enjoy the game.  It's important to try different styles though to really find what you enjoy.  Right now I'm enjoying dueling, who knows what tomorrow will bring.

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2009, 09:49:30 PM »
the only think I give any merit to is fighter K/D  the rest can easily be gamed, but in order to put up a K/D better than 2.0 you have to know what your doing, its damn hard.. aside from shade killing.. to game your around it.

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2009, 10:02:48 PM »
the only think I give any merit to is fighter K/D  the rest can easily be gamed,

I disagree. First, almost anything can be gamed, and so can fighter K/D. Just a few vulching sorties (with or without shade...), then switching back to attack mode.

Also if someone is having a "honest" high K/D.. .take a look at his K/H. Some guys manage to get a K/D of 3, while having a miserable K/H. Which basically means they are very cautious when engaging someone.

So when trying to tulips someones skill & playing style from score alone, you must take everything into account. How many sorties did he fly (look at # attack sorties too ;)), what's his K/H and also what planes did he fly. Getting a constistent K/D of 5 in a Hurricane I is more difficult than in a Tempest
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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2009, 10:29:47 PM »
What's amazing to me are the guys who have x sorties in fighter mode, and 10x that number in attack.  Then you look and sometimes they haven't dropped a single bomb on a target in all those attack sorties.

The Fighter/Attack distinction is silly, and I'd be happy to see the attack category be done away with (add ground damage and gv kills to the fighter category).
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2009, 11:01:13 PM »
Kam seems to think being timid is good... too funny....
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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2009, 11:13:30 PM »
Kam seems to think being timid is good... too funny....

Me Timid  Re-read what I wrote....BTW  Ive never been accused of being Timid....Ever..

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2009, 11:18:28 PM »
The only score that matters is the score that happens at the bar.

Except if you're pacerr maybe. 

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2009, 11:57:01 PM »
I disagree. First, almost anything can be gamed, and so can fighter K/D. Just a few vulching sorties (with or without shade...), then switching back to attack mode.

right but that is blatantly obvious, if you look at someone ranked #3 in LW and they only have 10 kills for fighter for the entire tour.. the jig is up.

Also I dont put alot of stock in kills per hour, .. granted you can go to the absolute EXTREME and fly at 25k and only ever engage ju88s.. but but like I said, that is the extreme side.  just because someone isn't getting 10 kills + an hour doesent mean they are cherry picking.  some folks go out looking for a 1v1 fight, and they shouldn't be looked down upon for doing so.  I respect someone who would rather have a good 1V1 more than someone who is out looking for a furball to go picking in.  Its alot easier to up a tiffie and fly over a furball and pick engauged cons  than it is to go looking for those small dar bars and upping from the nearest base to go say "hi" and fight whatever is there..  granted sometimes its a flight of bombers and you cash in, but other times its another fellow not unlike your self, looking for a good fight, in which case your earn your scalp.



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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2009, 04:33:52 AM »
The Fighter/Attack distinction is silly, and I'd be happy to see the attack category be done away with (add ground damage and gv kills to the fighter category).

There is resone we have them split. Thats so if you just like fighters , thats fine, you can compare your rank to other fighter only rolls. If we would give you what you wish, we would be penizling the guys who just wan't to do air to air.
And next on you list would be , how come if a gun a ground target i don't get fighter points for it.

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2009, 05:09:42 AM »
Me Timid  Re-read what I wrote....BTW  Ive never been accused of being Timid....Ever..

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As to score.. only worth something if you are honest with yourself.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2009, 05:46:47 AM »
Quote from: hitech on March 22, 2002, 09:05:46 PM
There is resone we have them split. Thats so if you just like fighters , thats fine, you can compare your rank to other fighter only rolls. If we would give you what you wish, we would be penizling the guys who just wan't to do air to air.
And next on you list would be , how come if a gun a ground target i don't get fighter points for it.

Was Hitech drunk when he wrote this?   :rofl

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2009, 06:16:43 AM »
Was Hitech drunk when he wrote this?   :rofl

That is what a typical HiTech post looks like without a spellchecker.  You can still find traces of it today since the spellchecker does not prevent him from posting correctly spelled hominyms in a sentence (eg. affect<>effect, rolls<>roles).

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2009, 06:56:31 AM »
Also I dont put alot of stock in kills per hour, .. granted you can go to the absolute EXTREME and fly at 25k and only ever engage ju88s.. but but like I said, that is the extreme side.  just because someone isn't getting 10 kills + an hour doesent mean they are cherry picking. 

But when someone is getting a K/D of 3 with a K/S of 0.5 and K/H of only 2.5 in over 100 sorties... he most probably is, and not a very effective one either. Hi's K7D is clearly less "impressive" than it first seemed.

You just have to look carefully, and refrain from getting quick conclusions in either way. And yes, more often than not score doesn't tell you much at all. :)

Another example. I had my best LW fighter K/D in tour 99. Truly awesome...until you examine the details. Then you will see that all of my fighter kills were made by flying 262 and 163 exclusively. Which instantly puts my K/D into a different light ;)

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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2009, 07:30:41 AM »
The only thing I try to earn is enough points to fly a perky ride when I want to. Otherwise score is worthless to me. In AvA always in a fighter - Score sucks due to no bombing, GV etc. Mid war is a combo usually, and late war more time in a GV than anything.   
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Re: The True meaning of YOUR Score..:)
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2009, 08:36:03 AM »
As to score.. only worth something if you are honest with yourself.

This sentence epitomises the whole score deal.  The majority of players start out honest with respect to score but then one of three things happens when they get switched on, with respect to score.

1)The majority conclude score means nothing and this justifies, for some at least, their "gamey" behaviour in the game. i.e pork n auger, bomb n bail, suiciding lancstukering Cv's, upping bombers at a capped field and so on.  Nothing honest about these guys.  Score means nothing and virtual death isn't penalised.  For these guys it's an expedient messure to an end....nothing more, nothing less.

2)They see how easy it is to manipulate score and use every opportunity to do so.  Nuker stukering a factory, deliberately setting up the vulch or attending every pick fest. Rockets at 10 paces, wouldn't dream of flying solo into a big red dar bar and so on.  Again nothing honest here.  No great talent required and they get to either drive a Cv into a shore battery or lock up a Cv so it can't be turned when bombers approach.  If they've been extra vigilant in their game play they may get their name on the front page.  Yes...I'm being sarcastic and over the top but when a guy can get a high bomber rank for a couple of nuker stuker sorties over the pure bomber player...it's a farce.

3)The player who watches his score but isn't overly pressured by it.  Takes the realistic / historical view. Usually starts out with the premise of more kills to sorties. Uses the correct mode for each sortie and plays the whole game with the mind set of every sortie to be landed.  Goes on hour long strat sorties or heavily damages strat in a Gv.  team player and mission oriented. Will mix it up in fighter mode but will also attend vulches if only to assure the goon a clear passage.

Yup...many players and ways to play.....some more honest than others.