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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2009, 01:29:29 PM »
hang on there clone, now u want to perk the XVI because you get beat in 1v2s with an E disadv? :huh

perk the XVI and there are no unperked LW brit fighters. wouldn't make much difference to put a mild perk on it, as long as the D pony gets one too. how do we feel about that I wonder?

as for spits flopping around when they have a con dead 6, thats exactly what happened IRL, its straight outta the manual. that it can float well and recover easily from stick stirring is a function of mass, wing loading and shape/section and power/weight ratio. all modelled correctly going by pilot accounts of the spit's chuckability.
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2009, 01:32:41 PM »
La7 a good stick makes a hard fight

Any plane + a good stick will give you a hard fight.
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2009, 01:35:04 PM »


perk the XVI and there are no unperked LW brit fighters.
XVI = LF mk IX =1943
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2009, 01:37:20 PM »
ty bronk, my mistake, forgot the IX  :salute
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2009, 02:00:48 PM »
LOL! This is too funny! the people that agree with clone know what he is talking about, but the people that are getting pissy are the ones that clone is talking about  :rofl :rofl :rofl



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You are so right on this one!  I look back at the responders to this post who disagree with a clone and I see a whole list of noobs.  Seriously, I am looking at the list of responders that are guys I have fought & winged with for the last year and a half, and do not have a bad opinion about any of these good pilots. You sir, I do not know.  I would suggest contributing something constructive to the discussion.

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #95 on: January 10, 2009, 02:03:49 PM »
Don't why the 16 spit lovers don't fly the 9 more often, great little crate.
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #96 on: January 10, 2009, 02:08:47 PM »
The Spit VIII is almost as good, and is in fact my preferred Spitfire.

But as good as the Spitfires VIII and XVI are, the last kill I had in AH before I canceled my account was a Mk VIII that bounced my Mossie just as I killed a P-51D.  I knew the Spit was coming in (I guessed it was a Mk XVI, just playing odds, when its icon first appeared) and I hurried my kill of the P-51D, as soon as I killed the Pony I pulled a hard break turn at the same moment the Spit opened fire and I hear the light crunching sound of .303s hitting my Mossie's wooden body and the chatter of his cannons firing as he zooms by.  I knew as soon as I heard the .303s that it wasn't a Mk XVI, but regardless in the next 30 seconds I took a fully defensive Mosquito that was out of E and annihilated a Spitfire Mk VIII that started with lots of E.

My final sortie in AH resulted in the kills of a Panzer IV H (random kill, spawned under my bombs as I dumped them to engage the La-7 that was inbound), La-7 (came in co-alt, but fast, was out maneuvered and killed in a high deflection turn), P-51D (started as a base porker hitting the VBase I was near, then started attacking me with an initial alt advantage of ~5k, I bled his E out and killed him in a turn fight) and the Spitfire Mk VIII (out maneuvered him through about three full turns where his E bled out and I held what E I had in high yo-yos, and killed him as he leveled off and tried to run from my Mossie).

So, we had three of the most common fighters (Spit XVI would have met the same fate in this guy's hands) against a fighter-bomber in a quick series of 1v1 fights and they all lost. Perk the Mosquito?  No, that sounds silly.  If I had been in any of those fighters the Mossie would have died, particularly the Spit which got to start with a huge E advantage when the Mossie was nearly out of E. I am not a very good AH pilot anymore, very rusty due to inactivity and I was never great, just above average at my peak.  Why did I win?  I knew my aircraft and I used it to its advantages while they probably, and fatally, thought I was a free kill.

I do toss a .salute out to that P-51 driver who started as a high speed porker, but decided to actually try a fight rather than just auger or run.


Don't why the 16 spit lovers don't fly the 9 more often, great little crate.
Because it is too slow in the late war arena.  If the fights were at 20k+, great, but not as AH altitudes.  It is also not very representative of the majority of historical Spitfire Mk IXs.  The Mk VIII or Mk XVI is much closer to those.
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #97 on: January 10, 2009, 02:50:39 PM »
Be thankful it doesn't have +25lb boost.

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2009, 03:10:13 PM »
First off, I could care less about the average noob flying the spit16 for their training, my first kill was in a ponyB, so I don't wanna here that that thing is like training wheels. And aparently i suck, so if I can do it, the noobs sure can.

Second off, if its like training weels, then why do some vets fly it all the time? That is what im talking about.

For example: You are cruising at 15K, in lets say a 109G14, and there is a spit16 coming in at 20K. Now what? No average noob would take the time to fly to 20K, so it is probobly a vet, and he is coming right at you. And now is were it gets fun, you might actually get on his tail and stay there, but then, ANOTHER spit16 comes in at 10K and jumps in. At best you can shoot one down, but the other is gonna get you, or you might be able to run away.

OK now, im sure there is gonna be someone to tell me how to get out of this situation, and im sure they are gonna note that only the "real pilots" can get out of this situation, so im waiting...

Give yourself a couple good years with the game. One day you will find out hat its not he plane but the pilot. Just perking the spit their would be a shift. Your next whine would be the la7 then the nikki bla bla....

And yes during my highest level of skill i could avoid dieing.. Playing that game was not that much fun so i just took it with a grain of salt..


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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2009, 03:17:03 PM »
I never said that the spit16 should be perked.

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2009, 03:17:42 PM »
First off, I could care less about the average noob flying the spit16 for their training, my first kill was in a ponyB, so I don't wanna here that that thing is like training wheels. And aparently i suck, so if I can do it, the noobs sure can.

Second off, if its like training weels, then why do some vets fly it all the time? That is what im talking about.

For example: You are cruising at 15K, in lets say a 109G14, and there is a spit16 coming in at 20K. Now what? No average noob would take the time to fly to 20K, so it is probobly a vet, and he is coming right at you. And now is were it gets fun, you might actually get on his tail and stay there, but then, ANOTHER spit16 comes in at 10K and jumps in. At best you can shoot one down, but the other is gonna get you, or you might be able to run away.

OK now, im sure there is gonna be someone to tell me how to get out of this situation, and im sure they are gonna note that only the "real pilots" can get out of this situation, so im waiting...

Its the pilot, not the plane is MOST situations. Take the spits out in your story and insert P38s. If the first ones a good stick your not going to be around long enough to see the second 38. A decent stick with ALT is going to be tough to beat in any plane.

As to "why would a vet fly a spit16?" Why not ? It may just be their plane of choice due to the history of the thing. You like to fly the pony (which is the plane with the most kills in LW btw), why? Its considered by alot of people as an "uber" ride, but your not complaining about it here. You've been killed by more ponies than you have spit16's so what the beef?

I think you just focus in on spit16's like a lot of people do because they are a darn good plane. You do see quit a few of them, and even the noobs can be a handful at time. The plane covers up well for the mistakes of the pilots which is why its such a great plane.

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2009, 03:36:32 PM »

Next we will all chant just like Belushi did in Animal House, but instead of Toga it will be Stuka Stuka Stuka...


After our auto climb for 30 minutes, we shall reach 5,000 feet over your mother base and all dive bomb all of your hangers, and while we are in our dives we will all yell out FARFA-NOOKIN!!!! in place of the dive siren to put fear into the enemy....


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I love the spit 16, to me it was the first plane model I ever had. To me their just sexy. Ofcourse, I love the typhoon and temp too though. Realistically though, i think thats all i fly is Brit planes. Dont know why, just guess its a theme thing really.
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2009, 03:41:48 PM »
possible solution to this and other plane # problems.

At the start of each Tour, reset player perk totals, leaving 200 points in each category.

now for the planes.

some planes would have a perk price no matter what like the 262, 234, Tempest.
Now for planes with multiple variants, base model is free. each version beyond is perks
progressively. perk list as id do it.
Base models, 0 perks
109E (0)  109F (3), 109 G's  (5), 109K (15)
190A5 (0) 190A8 & F8 (5) 190D9 (15) Ta152 (15)
spit1 (0)  Spit 5,Seafire (5),  Spit 8 9 and 16 (10), Spit14 (15)
hurri 1 (0) Hurri 2D (5) Hurri 2c (10)
F4F (0) FM2 (3)  F6F (10)
P40s (0)
P39s (0)
P51B (0) P51D (15)
P38G (0) P38 J (5)  P38 L (15)
F4U-1 (0) F4U-1A (5)  F4U-1D (10) F4U-1C(12) F4U-4 (15)
P47-D11 (0)  P47 D25 (5)  P47 D40 (10)   P47-N (15)
Typhoon  (5)  Tempest (15)
C202 (0)  C205 (10)
La-5 (0)  La-7 (15)
A6M2 (0)  A6m5 (5)  N1K2-J (15)
Ki-61 (0)   Ki-84 (15)
ME110-c (0)  ME110-G  (15) (gun, ord load)
Yak-9U(maybe 3-5 perks)

Bombers (debateable on how to perk, just my thought)
JU88  (0)
B25 C (0)  B25 H (5)
B26  (0)
Mossi (0)
Ki-67 (0)
(all single engine attack planes b5n TBM ect... free)

perk bombers
234   50
b17   15
B24   15
Lanc  25 (huge payload)

as a side note on perking. Perk bombs.

250 lbs or less  Free
500s (5) each
1000 (10) each
> 1000 (15) each
also allow Ord to be porked % wise like fuel, @ 100% all bombs available,
@ 75% 1000 lbs or less, @ 50% 500 or less, @ 25% 250lbs or less.

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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2009, 03:46:52 PM »
 Hey I won't lie to ya'll I fly a 16 all the time probably 90% of my game time . Its easy to fly can do most anything and is best for me at base defense . Which as a Knight happens most of your game day . But I also like the P-40 and I really should spend lots more time in it along with the F4U 1 . There are early war rides that can cause big headaches to players out there and I think I should explore a bit . In game terms really the hanger is just a tool box for the job you need to perform . As no one plane is perfect for everything .
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Re: Spixteens
« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2009, 04:14:09 PM »
On wep... how long is that? How long for cool time? How long a flight time at FFT?

Equate that in. :rolleyes:

No need to roll your eyes.  I could easily add in WEP and recharge times, but it wouldn't change much in the overall scheme.  I'll put it on my list after high speed roll rate.

Again, the numbers are what they are.  It's not a matter of my opinion that the Spit XVI ranks where it does.  If someone has an issue with the modifiers I have used then I welcome them to suggest different ones.

I don't have a problem with people who fly the Spit16; they're fun to shoot down, after all.  But I insist on an objective approach to aircraft performance, and the best empirical analysis I can do says the Spit16 is about as good as our perk rides.

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