Bomber Defensive Fire

[CAP1]

     Lag anyone?

no thanks......i couldn't eat another bite.
 

[2Slow]

You are forgetting the fact that the bombers have laser-sighted gunsights... at least in AH...

I've gotten absolutly creamed by b17's/b24's at 2.5k out... But I've learned for bombers, come in high in a ta-152, and they won't have time to shoot back.

You are so wrong.  The buff gunsights are not laser-sighted.  The principals taught at the WWII aerial gunnery camps applies here.  If one takes the time to study the WWII manuals and practice applying what is in them then one can become quite accurate with the guns.

http://www.oldmanuals.com/gunnery.htm is a good place to start.  I bought the CD sometime ago and the principals taught in it work in AH.  BJ229R understands it.  There are a few forces at work here.

[Scherf]

Strangely, one can't become quite so proficient (as in easy-peasy shoot-downs from 1.5 out) with wing- or fuselage-mounted guns.

[999000]

 I'm not sure what everbody else does but in order to conserve i usually start shooting at 600 out, but also is dependent on how fast the victim is coming in......also dependent on multiple enemy and  your SA.
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[bj229r]

I'm not sure what everbody else does but in order to conserve i usually start shooting at 600 out, but also is dependent on how fast the victim is coming in......also dependent on multiple enemy and  your SA.
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Pffftt..what does HE know

[TwinEng]

You are forgetting the fact that the bombers have laser-sighted gunsights... at least in AH...

But I've learned for bombers, come in high in a ta-152, and they won't have time to shoot back.

Unless, of course, you are facing a grizzly old skeet and sporting clays shooter like me.   

I've always had a fondness for those high incomers .............     

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[Newman5]

dependent on how fast the victim is coming in......

     

[TwinEng]

     Lag anyone?

Exactly.   He was probably closer to 1k than 1.5k when he died.

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[TwinEng]

You are so wrong.  The buff gunsights are not laser-sighted.  The principals taught at the WWII aerial gunnery camps applies here.  If one takes the time to study the WWII manuals and practice applying what is in them then one can become quite accurate with the guns.

http://www.oldmanuals.com/gunnery.htm is a good place to start.  I bought the CD sometime ago and the principals taught in it work in AH.  BJ229R understands it.  There are a few forces at work here.

You are so right.   A more fun way to practice is to get a shotgun and shoot a sporting clays course that has a good high tower incoming station.  You will then get a target much like a fighter diving down on your bomber.

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[rod367th]

Its impossible, because 12mm have ~1500 meters range.

tracer range is about 1500 metters ammo flys 3000 metters also remember plane attacking bombers 6 is flying into rounds 1.5 out means ammo flew less than 1k distance unless plane was exactly same speed.

[Tr0jan]

Time to pull out the Cheese

[Getback]

     Lag anyone?

That's exactly what I have been thinking. I rarely fire if more than 1000 yds out.

[texasmom]

I try not to shoot until 800 or under.  But I always try for 400 or less to start.  Plus, it's usually not me flying, just me in the guns. So if you shoot too soon, they get pissed that you ran out of ammo.   That right there's good enough reason to wait!

[Oleg]

tracer range is about 1500 metters ammo flys 3000 metters also remember plane attacking bombers 6 is flying into rounds 1.5 out means ammo flew less than 1k distance unless plane was exactly same speed.

Proof? Try Larry's suggestion (6th post).

Also do some math and find speed difference planes must have to decrease bullets path from 1.5 to 1.0. M2 has ~900m/s muzzle velocity.

[Getback]

I try not to shoot until 800 or under.  But I always try for 400 or less to start.  Plus, it's usually not me flying, just me in the guns. So if you shoot too soon, they get pissed that you ran out of ammo.   That right there's good enough reason to wait!

Assuming you're in buffs, that's all well and good Txmom. Still though many lob those potatoes from around 1000 yds and some even further out. So you have to fire at least 1000 yds out. Not that it will necessarily kill them but you will probably take out a gun or two or maybe even get some oil on their canopy.