Bomber Defensive Fire

[Airborne]

.50 Cal/12.7mm round

Maximum Range 7,440 yd (6,800 m)
Maximum Effective Range Area Target: 2,000 yd (1,830 m)
Point Target: 1,640 yd (1,500 m)



Still the same today as it was back then...... mostly because its the same weapon..

[cegull]

This extraordinary range thing makes me wonder if somebody has figured out how to turn .30cal/.50cal rounds into 37mm.  So much for realism.  It is a fun shootin- em up though.  As far as real life stuff goes, I was reading Adolf Gallands book which states that some German pilots started shooting at 700meters when attacking B17's and about scored 2% hits.  500 rounds , 10 hits.  I don't think an F86 with radar controled sights could hit another plane at 1500 meters let alone a tail gunner with iron sights. 

[LLogann]

I tap people all the time from 1.5k.  Believe it!  Some of you already know this. 

That 9 guy can probably do it too.  I've heard he is a decent shot.

[TOMCAT21]

max effective range for the m2(5o cal) is 1830 meters, if that helps..

[TOMCAT21]

i missed your post..Airborne...

[Anaxogoras]

That 9 guy can probably do it too.  I've heard he is a decent shot.

What an understatement.

[LLogann]

 

What an understatement.

[Chalenge]

When I first started flying bombers I could not hit anything with guns and so I did some reading on this BBS. I found a post where hitech said ballistics are not calculated beyond 1.7 range. I just tried to find the post but couldnt.

The idea that a bomber could travel 500 yards before a bullet would hit someone chasing from the rear is not accurate obviously. From the front you could attack and start shooting at 2.2k and turn off right at 1.5k and the bomber will take hits though probably not lethally.

Even 999000 can be killed with proper attacks as I know from first hand experience. He is one of the better shots but not invulnerable.

[SlapShot]

This extraordinary range thing makes me wonder if somebody has figured out how to turn .30cal/.50cal rounds into 37mm.  So much for realism.  It is a fun shootin- em up though.  As far as real life stuff goes, I was reading Adolf Gallands book which states that some German pilots started shooting at 700meters when attacking B17's and about scored 2% hits.  500 rounds , 10 hits.  I don't think an F86 with radar controled sights could hit another plane at 1500 meters let alone a tail gunner with iron sights. 

I guess you need to catch up on some reading about the .50 cal round ... and understand the closing rate of a .50 cal that has been fired at a plane that is going 300 mph and coming directly at the .50 cal round.

[LLogann]

It's true, I've been shot down once or twice.

Even LLogann can be killed with proper attacks as I know from first hand experience. He is one of the better shots but not invulnerable.

 

[Chalenge]

It's true, I've been shot down once or twice.

 

... and yet I never heard of you.

[AWwrgwy]

  I don't think an F86 with radar controled sights could hit another plane at 1500 meters let alone a tail gunner with iron sights. 

This is a strange statement because many of the encounters I've read in Korea are about U.S. pilots in F-86s getting hits and kills from 1500 yards out and I always thought it odd that our range seems to "end" at 1,000 yards.

I've also read that Germans used cannon for their additional effective range, IE. being able to fire from outside the defensive range of the bombers.

Who is wrong here?



wrongway

[Chalenge]

The F-86 could hit targets at 3000 yds (cant speak of effectiveness at that range or whether it ever did hit planes at 3000 yds) but much higher then AH aircraft fly. The F-86 used armor piercing incendiary rounds but the incendiary design was based on magnesium that burned poorly at the altitudes the Sabre sometimes was engaged at. The gunsight on the Sabre was less difficult to use for ranged shots on a turning fighter then the P51Ds K-14 sight with the Sabre sight being faster to stabilize.

[999000]

Chalenge ...please don't tell them how to make me an easy kill!!!
<S> 999000

[Chalenge]

No fun in that!  <S>