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Offline Anaxogoras

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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2009, 04:16:39 PM »
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2009, 05:05:11 PM »
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2009, 06:15:06 PM »
Please tell the wirble drivers that they can't shoot down my il-2 then...they didn't get the memo.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2009, 09:19:38 AM »
Would you like some CHEESE with that WHINE
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2009, 09:54:41 AM »
Quote from: sirvlad on January 10, 2009, 12:55:43 PM
Tired of these $%#% $^^ il2`s popping my turret or exploding my tigers so damm easily. For 6-7 years they couldn`t now they can and i hate it !!!!! Amazing how they now got this sudden amount of fire power.

Personally I'm impressed with the update of the 37mm's
« Last Edit: January 11, 2009, 10:13:49 AM by LYNX »
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 10:24:14 AM »
Quote from: LYNX on January 11, 2009, 09:54:41 AM
Personally I'm impressed with the update of the 37mm's
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I thought the best approach was from the rear of the tank at that angle.  This Pic appears to be a frontal approach on the thicker frontal armor.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 10:28:26 AM »
Quote from: Dadsguns on January 11, 2009, 10:24:14 AM
I thought the best approach was from the rear of the tank at that angle.  This Pic appears to be a frontal approach on the thicker frontal armor.
Panzers can be done with enough angle. T-34/shermans not so much due to slope of armor. Have yet to try a tiger. Betting almost vert from the front will pop em.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2009, 11:04:48 AM »
  The Smart Il2 pilots come in at a steep angle to avoid tank guns. The days of Tanks with no antiaircraft defense are gone. However the kill power of one or two bullets may be overmodeled.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2009, 11:09:13 AM »
Quote from: LYNX on January 11, 2009, 09:54:41 AM
Personally I'm impressed with the update of the 37mm's
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That pic reminds me of yesterday where i poped an M4 with a short burst of 37mm.. then he reuped and got me with his turret  :(
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2009, 11:11:51 AM »
Quote from: Slate on January 11, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
However the kill power of one or two bullets may be overmodeled.
You have data to support this claim?
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Offline Oleg

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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2009, 11:34:25 AM »
Armor penetration for HS-37
http://www.battlefield.ru/pics/il2_test3.gif

I doubt it could penetrate 50mm frontal Pz4H armor, but I havnt enough data. Some reports say there was several Panthers destroyed by IL-2's HS-37 but no details.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2009, 11:42:10 AM »
The NS-37, unusually for the USSR, used a short-recoil mechanism and was belt-fed. It was a particularly slim weapon, with a compact mechanism, suitable for fitting between the banks of a liquid-cooled vee-engine to fire through the hollow propeller hub. The powerful 37x195 ammunition is quoted as penetrating 48mm / 500m / 90 degrees, enough to pose a threat to the side or rear armour of virtually any tank. The 45x185 cartridge of the NS-45 increased this to around 58mm.


From
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/tankbusters.htm

And the shot lynx posted was probably through the top armor.
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Offline Saxman

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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2009, 11:52:38 AM »
Quote from: 1701E on January 10, 2009, 12:59:56 PM
I hate it too, now they can rival with my B25 against gvs. :)

That will change if HTC will ever give us the AP mix carried by the real thing (5AP + 16HE, I think)
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2009, 11:53:25 AM »
Quote from: Bronk on January 11, 2009, 11:42:10 AM
The powerful 37x195 ammunition is quoted as penetrating 48mm / 500m / 90 degrees, enough to pose a threat to the side or rear armour of virtually any tank.

IL-2 used BZT-37 ammunition against armors, its penetration shown in my previous post. I didnt know where 48mm at 500m comes from.

btw, I was blind, first column on diagram is for 50mm armor.
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Re: $%#$ , ^&^%&*% il2`s
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2009, 12:02:01 PM »
Quote from: Oleg on January 11, 2009, 11:53:25 AM
IL-2 used BZT-37 ammunition against armors, its penetration shown in my previous post. I didnt know where 48mm at 500m comes from.

btw, I was blind, first column on diagram is for 50mm armor.

Oleg, I was just trying to add a bit of info. That is from Tony Williams sight. I think his assessment is accurate.
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