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Offline EagleEyes

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« on: January 12, 2009, 02:56:20 AM »
So im curious to see what everyone thinks of Russia and their latest stunt!

We all know what they did to Georgia during the Olympics....But now they have pretty much shut off all the oil that goes through Ukraine to Europe saying Ukraine is stealing it!  Even though Ukraine is paying a ridiculous amount of money for the oil it was getting.   Anyone else see this being a problem??  Possible War??  Russian aggression??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090112/wl_nm/us_russia_ukraine_gas;_ylt=AuQC3MF4loDj.Db3XEuJZWJvaA8F
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2009, 03:08:52 AM »
Its gas and not oil.

They are flexing abit to get a better price for their gas and to get payed for gas already delivered. Ukraine has been slow to pay.

I doubt there will be any wars over this.
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 05:00:21 AM »
Quote from: EagleEyes on January 12, 2009, 02:56:20 AM
So im curious to see what everyone thinks of Russia and their latest stunt!

We all know what they did to Georgia during the Olympics....But now they have pretty much shut off all the oil that goes through Ukraine to Europe saying Ukraine is stealing it!  Even though Ukraine is paying a ridiculous amount of money for the oil it was getting.   Anyone else see this being a problem??  Possible War??  Russian aggression??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090112/wl_nm/us_russia_ukraine_gas;_ylt=AuQC3MF4loDj.Db3XEuJZWJvaA8F

Two corrections: They shut down the natural gas pipe and Ukraine has been getting gas with Soviet union era prices which are less than half what the rest of Europe is paying.
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 06:50:35 AM »
Quote from: EagleEyes on January 12, 2009, 02:56:20 AM
Anyone else see this being a problem??  Possible War??  Russian aggression??

You mean we must occupy Ukraine just to dont let Europe freeze to death?  :huh
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 07:33:41 AM »
Were the Ukranians tapping off gas as claimed by the Russians, or were they not?
If they were, and the Russians block because of that, NEITHER will get gas...
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 09:41:56 AM »
Yea this is actually more a case of Russia trying to put Ukraine on a more level business ground with the rest of Europe than it is Russia being aggressive.  I'm no fan of the Russian leadership, but to be honest the Georgia conflict was technically started by the Georgians.  Likewise, Ukraine is being the "aggressor" in this case...

I'm not saying Russia is not overreacting, (clearly they did in Georgia) but more trying to get people thinking from both perspectives here.  Also, I doubt any real conflict will come of this, other than further bickering / political positioning.  Poland and Germany will start getting really cold, impose a bit more pressure on Ukraine to stop expecting the benefits of a free market without the set-backs, (ie regular gas prices) and the issue will be settled.

Anyway, I love all of it.  Eastern european politics make me laugh real hard.   
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 10:06:16 AM »
Quote from: EagleEyes on January 12, 2009, 02:56:20 AM
So im curious to see what everyone thinks of Russia and their latest stunt!

We all know what they did to Georgia during the Olympics....But now they have pretty much shut off all the oil that goes through Ukraine to Europe saying Ukraine is stealing it!  Even though Ukraine is paying a ridiculous amount of money for the oil it was getting.   Anyone else see this being a problem??  Possible War??  Russian aggression??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090112/wl_nm/us_russia_ukraine_gas;_ylt=AuQC3MF4loDj.Db3XEuJZWJvaA8F
First of all Georgia launched attack first.Casualties weren't even close to current conflict in Gaza which USA seemes to be fine with it.
And secondly Ukraine ows 2 billion dollars for gas to Russia.They should've thought of it before shooting down Russian planes in Georgia.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 10:09:46 AM by KgB »
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 10:25:28 AM »
We have let Putin go unchecked for many years now and he has slowly changed the country back into almost a soviet style of government.
He gave himself alot more power... some shady things going on over there, right now the US and Russia aren't the best of allies, so hopefully we can work on that, because that is one country we do not want to mess with. (can you say largest nuclear stockpile in the world!! ahh!)
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 11:59:36 AM »
Quote from: KgB on January 12, 2009, 10:06:16 AM
First of all Georgia launched attack first.Casualties weren't even close to current conflict in Gaza which USA seemes to be fine with it.

The US is ok with it because Hamas is a terrorist organization.  It would be like the UN trying to make a Peace Treaty with Al-Queada!  Just not gonna happen!! Hamas broke the cease-fire, Hamas was the first one to launch Rockets into Isreal.  And now Hamas is screaming for the UN to step in and get a cease-fire!! Come on, thats just ridiculous!!
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 12:11:12 PM »
ehhh can we not hijack this thread?  I enjoy occasionally being able to talk about world events without Israel coming up... :(

How bout them Moldovans?  :D
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 01:11:59 PM »
Quote from: EagleEyes on January 12, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
The US is ok with it because Hamas is a terrorist organization.  It would be like the UN trying to make a Peace Treaty with Al-Queada!  Just not gonna happen!! Hamas broke the cease-fire, Hamas was the first one to launch Rockets into Isreal.  And now Hamas is screaming for the UN to step in and get a cease-fire!! Come on, thats just ridiculous!!

http://www.infowars.com/?p=7080
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 01:17:00 PM »
Quote from: CAVPFCDD on January 12, 2009, 10:25:28 AM
We have let Putin go unchecked for many years now and he has slowly changed the country back into almost a soviet style of government.
He gave himself alot more power... some shady things going on over there, right now the US and Russia aren't the best of allies, so hopefully we can work on that, because that is one country we do not want to mess with. (can you say largest nuclear stockpile in the world!! ahh!)
Yeltsin offered to be allies with USA,Bush rejected it.
I think it was in the book. "Yeltsin,the life" i believe.
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 04:54:45 PM »
Well, one momma of conspiracy theories is that we must keep hings as they are...sort of.
But if Ucraine is not paying and tapping off, it seems to me that Russia has no choice but to shut down. The pipeline AFAIK runs THROUGH Ucraine, so the Russians must shut off at home base. That leaves Europe in the cold.
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2009, 11:56:38 PM »
Isn't Russia building their own Super Carrier?
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Re: Russia........
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2009, 01:12:45 AM »
To my knowledge they are, even heard rumors that they are working on it with China...But dont quote me on it!


I apologize for not knowing all the facts before i posted this.  I was unaware that Ukraine was "stealing" the natural gas from Russia.

But still, does anyone for see Russia flexing its Military Muscle in the near future at Ukraine?

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