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Offline VonMessa

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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2009, 02:19:15 PM »
Does anyone who thinks this is a mistake on the part of the state really believe these kids were going to grow up in a nurturing, healthy environment, in a house decorated with Nazi paraphenalia, with parents who think the systematic elimination of millions of people was a pretty cool gig?

I certainly do not.  But that wouldn't be grounds for the state to take the kids.  Not solely based on personal beliefs (No matter HOW twisted they may be)

 Given the character of the parents, though, I'm sure that they didn't have to look to far to find a legitimate reason.
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2009, 02:24:40 PM »
I didn't see where they released the full report explaining why they felt the children should be removed. I doubt it was because of their names.  However, it stands to reason that if the parents are so screwed in the head that they'd be willing to give those names to their children that there is also tons of other insane & screwy things going on in the lives of them & their children.  That's pretty unfortunate.
*edit* sorry VonMessa, I should have read the thread fully first. I said the same thing you did.
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2009, 02:34:30 PM »
Here in Germany naming a kid Adolf Hitler would result into an international uprise. The name "Adolf" is blocked for the next 1000000000000 years. Instead the people in Germany name their children Peggy, Jenny, Ronny, Marlon, Silvio, Mandy, Sandy, Doreen aso and NOT Adelheid, Waltraud, Margreth or Heidi :D
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2009, 03:53:25 PM »
Here in Germany naming a kid Adolf Hitler would result into an international uprise. The name "Adolf" is blocked for the next 1000000000000 years. Instead the people in Germany name their children Peggy, Jenny, Ronny, Marlon, Silvio, Mandy, Sandy, Doreen aso and NOT Adelheid, Waltraud, Margreth or Heidi :D
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2009, 01:04:14 AM »
  The child was whisked away to South America where the real Adolf's brain, will be transplanted into him, as soon as his body has grown and is perfectly conditioned. (grabs arm like Dr. Strangelove)

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2009, 01:54:22 AM »
Heidi hehe :D
oh well, forgot Heidi Klum :lol
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2009, 10:36:10 AM »
Here in Germany naming a kid Adolf Hitler would result into an international uprise. The name "Adolf" is blocked for the next 1000000000000 years. Instead the people in Germany name their children Peggy, Jenny, Ronny, Marlon, Silvio, Mandy, Sandy, Doreen aso and NOT Adelheid, Waltraud, Margreth or Heidi :D

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Omg mein name ist Johann, meine schwester ist Heidi, und mein bruder ist Peter.

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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2009, 11:34:49 AM »
I laugh at all this talk of having our freedoms taken away.  As if we don't have intrusive laws as it is.  I can't even build a patio in my back yard without going through the proper paperwork, paying the proper fees for permits, etc.  I can't smoke on the beach, I have to wear a seat belt, I can't grow a pot plant in my back yard.  I have to wear a helmet on my motorcycle.  You get the idea.  No one is getting fired up because they get ticketed for not wearing a seat belt, yet 3 children are given clearly racist offensive names that WILL set them back in life, and that's the tipping point? 
the basis of the discussion is whether the United States Government be it local or federal has the right to intervene or involve itself in the intimate and personal thoughts beliefs and freedoms of a person.

well lets check the comparisons in your statement against reality;

1 building/construction without a permit. if you fail to go through the procedures that have been created over thousands of years of construction you risk the health and well being of every person who may ever come into contact with the patio you intend to build. the act of getting a permit shows that you have a plan of construction that meets the requirements of building it safely. this includes the safety of those who may buy the home years down the road.
the permit also allows the government to properly value your home for taxation purposes.
regulation of taxes and potential health hazards is a constitutional right of the government.

2 smoking, well the public health hazards of smoking are well documented and proven. no where in the constitution are you given the right or the freedom to knowingly cause risk to the health or well being of another individual. especially without the other individuals direct and explicit (normally written) consent. your personal right (which in actuality is not granted by the constitution) to freely destroy your body in the privacy of your own home is not being infringed.
regulating actions of person or persons that may affect the health and well being of others is a constitutional right of the government.

3 the laws governing helmets and seat belts spring from the same line of thought. the safety health and well being of the public (including the individual) is the responsibility of the government. ownership and operation of any vehicle is not a right but a privilege. any privilege may be regulated and control in any reasonable and equal manner buy the governing body.
this regulation of a privilege is the constitutional right of the government.

4 names of children are sacred and personal symbols of and expression. we as the public enjoy the right to freedom of expression. this is a constitutional right of the people.

5 the political and religious beliefs of the individual is constitutionally protected and may not be infringed by the government.

your examples dont compare to the argument.

the public has no right to make any demands that the individual change their beliefs or opinions on any issue especially those of religion and government. the government has no right to obstruct a person from expressing themselves.

read the court battles over the nazi marches in america back in the 70's and 80's. to ensure that the rights of the just and moral are protected it means that you must also be willing to ensure the rights of those who are monstrous and heinous. equality is sometimes a hard pill to swallow, but it is the only way for our system to work.

what is your first name? i would be willing to bet that i could find someone in history with your name that committed some act of evil. does that mean that those who have suffered under some one of the same name should have the right to tell your parents that they couldnt name you as they chose to? should every name ever born by a murderer be stricken from the books forever?

the parents in my opinion are tards, but if you infringe their rights you set the precedent that these rights can be infringed. then it becomes an argument of opinion. then the government can impose its will upon the masses.

personally i would rather have a neighbor thats got a stupid name than a government that can tell me what to name my children.

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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2009, 12:53:19 PM »
Flot, I understand what you're saying.  I don't want to get too far off topic (can you show me any documented proof that second hand smoke causes cancer?).  I believe, when you screw a child up in bad ways, whether through sexual, physical, or other kind of abuses, you greatly change how that child will turn out as an adult.  Look at violent offenders, almost all if not all were physically abused as children.  Therefore, when you screw you kid up something bad, I am the one who suffers.  How?  When I'm standing at the ATM getting money out I get a shiv in my back.  When some drunk t-bones me at an intersection and runs off or has no insurance, etc.  I'm all for personal freedoms, but I believe a child, no matter what age, has the same rights as you.  However, not being able to care for their selves means either the parents do it, or the State takes the burden, which also affects me.  As TxMom basically said, if this is any example of their parenting skills, you can only imagine what else is going on.  I don't believe anyone has the "personal freedom" to royally screw up their kids, even with horrible names like that.  What my point about the intrusive laws was anyways, is our government is already quite involved in our lives, I don't see how trying to stop child abuse or what basically amounts to child abuse is viewed as crossing a line, in view of the laws we already have to deal with. 
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2009, 01:51:00 PM »
warhed brings up a good point. Naming someone Adolf Hitler is really a form of child abuse. The poor kid will never have the opportunities that he should.


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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2009, 06:28:22 PM »
That would be messed up if they took the kids away just because of their parents beliefs.  This is America and your allowed to believe any asinine things you want to, no matter how retarded those beliefs make you look.

This is New Jersey where the "Division of Youth and Family Services" will investigate you up the wazzooo if your caught disciplining your child because you caught him/her stealing. And possibly take the child away from you.

But you can be a drug addict and prostitute and live in a home with so many roaches you can actually hear them moving around. and barely get a passing notice.

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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2009, 06:49:01 PM »
Flot, I understand what you're saying.  I don't want to get too far off topic (can you show me any documented proof that second hand smoke causes cancer?).  I believe, when you screw a child up in bad ways, whether through sexual, physical, or other kind of abuses, you greatly change how that child will turn out as an adult.  Look at violent offenders, almost all if not all were physically abused as children.  Therefore, when you screw you kid up something bad, I am the one who suffers.  How?  When I'm standing at the ATM getting money out I get a shiv in my back.  When some drunk t-bones me at an intersection and runs off or has no insurance, etc.  I'm all for personal freedoms, but I believe a child, no matter what age, has the same rights as you.  However, not being able to care for their selves means either the parents do it, or the State takes the burden, which also affects me.  As TxMom basically said, if this is any example of their parenting skills, you can only imagine what else is going on.  I don't believe anyone has the "personal freedom" to royally screw up their kids, even with horrible names like that.  What my point about the intrusive laws was anyways, is our government is already quite involved in our lives, I don't see how trying to stop child abuse or what basically amounts to child abuse is viewed as crossing a line, in view of the laws we already have to deal with. 

i agree with you 100%. on a personal level i think the parents are trash and have surrendered their right to bare and raise children.

but with each step, for however just the immediate reasons are, you allow the government to take in controlling any aspect of your life its one less freedom you will ever enjoy again. look through the past and find any point in our history where the government has backed off and relinquished control back to the people over a topic that they gained even one step in the direction of regulating and controlling.

my fear of a kid who grows up with a bad name is far diminished when it is viewed in the shadow of a government given more control over our most personal and intimate freedoms.

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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2009, 12:28:18 AM »
I have seen those same "facts" stated before from different sources, check the references out some time, you'll be a little surprised.  Ask yourself, 50,000 people are claimed to be killed every year from second hand smoke, have you ever known\heard of anyone who had died of that?  And how would you even BEGIN to prove that your lung cancer was caused by second hand smoke!!!  For a smoker, doctors agree that it takes an average of 30 pack years to guarantee that if you get lung cancer, it's most likely because of the smoking.  That's an average of 1 pack a day for 30 years.  Now do the second hand smoke math.  Not trying to be argumentative, just get annoyed with that whole 50,000 people a year statistic. 
And I understand the whole "slippery slope" argument about the names.  But really, if we stop parents from naming kids Hitler, do you honestly think the next step is preventing you from naming him Bob?  Or that the gov't will start naming your children for you?  We need to start standing up to idiots like those parents.  I am all for personal freedoms, but we all benefit when parents like those lose the right to bare children.  I am all for taking babies away from crack head parents, from parents who have murdered, anything like that.  Sure, it's taking personal freedoms away from us, but for once, we could actually benefit in the long run.  Stupid breeds stupid, and our good and smart population just isn't breeding as fast as the idiots. 
My only other opinion, is that we need to start filling those Mosquito Sprayer trucks with an airborne birth control or something of the like.  And just have them drive through the inner city, and the trailer parks once a month.   :aok 
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Re: Adolf Hitler's cake was taken away
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2009, 01:15:53 AM »
you just said post something, you never said i had to agree or believe it  :D i have smoked for almost 34 years now so i definitely sympathize with you on the whole anti-smoking rhetoric.

"My only other opinion, is that we need to start filling those Mosquito Sprayer trucks with an airborne birth control or something of the like.  And just have them drive through the inner city, and the trailer parks once a month."

you couldnt find a more agreeable person on the planet!

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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2009, 03:23:52 AM »
For a small, initial investment, you could help make this happen...  :devil

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