Turn the icon's off

[mechanic]

If anything, i think no icons would make cherry picking much easier. this board is like a courtroom sometimes, with hundreds of lawyers all with their own idea of the picture.

[LLogann]

It's true... He was.......   

BTW, my response you quoted was to LLogan's statement where he quoted my note about anecdotal evidence of extremely long ranged identifications and said it had recently been proved. I was asking what proof that was.

....And you know... If you stop and think about it for a second.... The only thing that would happen if icons were always off, would be kill shooters all day long.  Because so many of the group would still cherry pick just based on the idea that it could be an enemy. 

[NoBaddy]

  You're all crazy, from the original post it is quite clear it was intended as an optional arena idea. Who is going to force anyone to log in there? Sonicblu is a decent player, he knows how to fly and fight 1 on 1. I think this is a false mob of protest forming around a good idea.

...and I have never denied that I was (am) crazy. Heck, it's a GOOD thing.

While I am willing to admit that having another arena would not force anyone to play there and I will defer to your judgment on Sonicblu's decency...he does state that he wants it because he gets cherried. The flaw in his logic is that the 2 things are related...they aren't. I stand with my agreeing with Wrongway's post. If Sonicblu had not decided to link the 2 issues, I would probably only have posted that he should search for icon threads. He would then find the reasons why it is impractical to do what he wants.

[NoBaddy]

The personal jedi mind tricks dont work on me.....If you know its "me" ?     

BTW  read my post I allready said it was a way to force players to play differently  before wrngway did... so i dont see your point....He validates my post not the other way around.


opppps i forgot some punctuations  i hope u can still understand what i said

Are you really this new? You don't think enemies can find each other? You don't think people talk about the guy they killed...or the one that killed them? Geez son...stop by the gift shop and pick up a clue rake......you are in dire need of one!!!! 

Let me make sure I have this right....
Wrongway validates your post by saying that the idea is merely a crutch for people that can't learn proper SA? Oh yes..the following quote from his post really does "validate" your point of view..."It's another "I'm getting killed too much/too easy" rant. ".

BTW, I'm sure that when you get to the 6th grade...they will teach you more punctuation.

[BnZs]

If anything, i think no icons would make cherry picking much easier. this board is like a courtroom sometimes, with hundreds of lawyers all with their own idea of the picture.

I know for a fact that that the "surprise-you're dead!" style of attack would encompass 90% of kills in an iconless arena because I've played in ones in other games. That's been my point all along.

Would this be realistic? Certainly. Is AHII better or worse because a bandit has an unrealistically decent chance of seeing you bounce him in AHII, thus forcing you to do some of that ma-nooverin' stuff if you want the kill?...that's up to each individual to decide I suppose. 

[NoBaddy]

Is AHII better or worse because a bandit has an unrealistically decent chance of seeing you bounce him in AHII, thus forcing you to do some of that ma-nooverin' stuff if you want the kill?...that's up to each individual to decide I suppose. 

In a word...YES. The game is always about balancing realism and gameplay. Add this request to other similar ones, like no radar, no field warnings, etc., and you get a much more "realistic" game. Realistically, only 10% of the fighter pilots that flew in WW2 shot down an enemy plane in combat. Only about 10% of that 10% did it more than once. Striving for this might be realistic....but would make for a VERY boring game.

[FireDrgn]

I know for a fact that that the "surprise-you're dead!" style of attack would encompass 90% of kills in an iconless arena because I've played in ones in other games. That's been my point all along.

Would this be realistic? Certainly. Is AHII better or worse because a bandit has an unrealistically decent chance of seeing you bounce him in AHII, thus forcing you to do some of that ma-nooverin' stuff if you want the kill?...that's up to each individual to decide I suppose. 

Let me try it this way...


We agree that the icon thing is a bad idea.....as i have posted....We agree that it would force some to play a differant way.....as i have posted ... We agree that i have problems with punctuations and spelling.....We agree that you dint respect the 1v1 in the MA.....


The interesting thing is you posted your REASONS you dont resectthe 1v1 in the MA.... the other player is a "dweeb"   "bad SA" ect. 

Its exactly like your commcent about my spelling and punctuation If you know its wrong then you know how it would be right..... So to say I would not have to explain if I punctuated properly is LAME. AND a false statement.  youunderstandanyways


The only reason someone cant have a 1v1 has nothing to do with history. Its that players dont respect it in the MA ..for what ever reasons they have........Which is a differant conversation.... So is whining about it  differant conversation....I am not interested in placing everything into the trash bag then having to dig thru   with you.....

I would be willing to guess you cant tell me were we disagree.

[BnZs]

Huh, I have not posted *anything* on the subject of your spelling, or the merits or demerits of cherrypicking. Indeed, the only point I have made is that a lack of icons would facilitate cherrypicking. So I can only conclude you posted this in response to me because things are still a bit confusing on a Saturday morning coming down...try having some black coffee and toast before hiting "reply" again, mmmkay?

Let me try it this way...


We agree that the icon thing is a bad idea.....as i have posted....We agree that it would force some to play a differant way.....as i have posted ... We agree that i have problems with punctuations and spelling.....We agree that you dint respect the 1v1 in the MA.....


The interesting thing is you posted your REASONS you dont resectthe 1v1 in the MA.... the other player is a "dweeb"   "bad SA" ect. 

Its exactly like your commcent about my spelling and punctuation If you know its wrong then you know how it would be right..... So to say I would not have to explain if I punctuated properly is LAME. AND a false statement.  youunderstandanyways


The only reason someone cant have a 1v1 has nothing to do with history. Its that players dont respect it in the MA ..for what ever reasons they have........Which is a differant conversation.... So is whining about it  differant conversation....I am not interested in placing everything into the trash bag then having to dig thru   with you.....

I would be willing to guess you cant tell me were we disagree.

[mechanic]

...and I have never denied that I was (am) crazy. Heck, it's a GOOD thing.

While I am willing to admit that having another arena would not force anyone to play there and I will defer to your judgment on Sonicblu's decency...he does state that he wants it because he gets cherried. The flaw in his logic is that the 2 things are related...they aren't. I stand with my agreeing with Wrongway's post. If Sonicblu had not decided to link the 2 issues, I would probably only have posted that he should search for icon threads. He would then find the reasons why it is impractical to do what he wants.

i cant argue with logic of this calibre

S!

[NoBaddy]

Huh, I have not posted *anything* on the subject of your spelling, or the merits or demerits of cherrypicking. Indeed, the only point I have made is that a lack of icons would facilitate cherrypicking. So I can only conclude you posted this in response to me because things are still a bit confusing on a Saturday morning coming down...try having some black coffee and toast before hiting "reply" again, mmmkay?

BnZ...

You just got PUNKED by the dweeb version of a scatter gun!!

He was trying to respond to me. However, his SA is so poor he can't even do that right!! One has to wonder...does he even know what "SA" is?



Firedragon...

At least take the time to LOOK at what you type!! You not only have problems putting together a cogent argument, you also seem to have problems with coherent sentences!!

GOOD LORD MAN!!! STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!!!

[Sonicblu]

I am not interested if it makes it more realistic or not. I'm interested in better game play.

We are living with "you cant see the plane anyway" NONE of this changes how the planes are seen. The icons dint change the fact that you can or can't see the planes. Lets use our brains here.

It is a false argument. Having the icon NOT only gives you information you cant gather gather visually," because of poor graphics" and or limitations in this enviornment. It gives you information you shouldn't have.

Because 90% of the players use the information in a way the deteriorates game play imo.

I doesn't change the fact that you cant see the plane or what type it is.

LOL on the suggestions that i turn off my icons. Come on guys. I don't use them in a way that deteriorates game play.

There is a reason I choose the to title the post Turn the icons off. Even though i would rather modify them.
IT shows in some of the responses because you have to think "how would I fly with no icon?"

[Sonicblu]

Oh come on.  This isn't about flying so you can't see icons.  You can do that now if you choose.  This is about flying so others cannot see your icon.

I never said it was about flying with no icons duh. and you are right i don't want a bnz cherrypicker to see my icon.
Look and my previous post it will help you understand.

It's another "I'm getting killed too much/too easy" rant.  You want to fly without icons?  Go for it.  ALT + I.  I for one see dots.  Bushes and GVs look the same to me.
Read my post dont judge my emotional state. YOU lack the qualifications.

The discussion is nice, but why ask to impose on everyone what you already have the ability to do yourself right now?

I never asked to impose anything on anyone. I only chose the the title Turn icons off. In my post you can see i would prefer a modified system. YOUR the one the got stuck on the "Turn icons off title"



wrongway
(after a weeks imposed absence)

[Sonicblu]

Sonic, I have experienced this experiment when I played "Il2" online abit.

Your idea that no icons will keep you from getting "cherrypicked" is totally wrong. It has *exactly* the opposite effect in full switch Il2 servers. It gives great advantage to he high-speed, high-alt hit and run style attack, in fact to a certain degree that becomes the only *sane* style of fighting because of the limits on SA.

It may in fact in some situations. I have takin that into consideration before posting.
In other situations the cherry picker is going to die alot if he doesnt have very good SA. because he is going to kill shoot himself. If the icon didn't show up as eny cons " red ".

I am hoping it would improve game play overall. Hey I may be wrong.

Anyway it is a type of play that has been taught by example to the new players.

[Sonicblu]

NB getting called out? wow, im so IN


edit: for the record, i dont think SonicBlu was ranting about pickers as much as making a realism arena. He never said enforce it on the whole game. I think it would be fun if it was an optional arena that only those willing to make things harder would join.

Thanks batfink It was just a suggestion. Not trying to impose anything on anyone.

wrongway. Says that it your own fault for flying a certain way to get pick or vulched. That I can agree with. However
use the same logic here wrongway. If you don't want to enter an arena or special event with them turned off. Don't come play.
Why the emotional diatribe on the bbs.

[Krusty]

It is a false argument. [...] It gives you information you shouldn't have.

Wow. You're very wrong. You don't get ENOUGH info.

The point isn't to create an arbitrary system like FighterAce where everything is % based (like TIE Fighter), the point is to give you realistic weapons, planes, performance, and use these as tools not to re-create WW2 but to simply enjoy flying what was available in WW2.

We're given many tools, and your request is to remove several of them. That's just 1 step shy of giving everybody 1 turbolaser and deflector shields, you're basically complaining about getting cherry picked and want to shut down everything that helps you come close to semi-realistic visual dimension.