Turn the icon's off

[BnZs]

Sonic, I have experienced this experiment when I played "Il2" online abit.

Your idea that no icons will keep you from getting "cherrypicked" is totally wrong. It has *exactly* the opposite effect in full switch Il2 servers. It gives great advantage to he high-speed, high-alt hit and run style attack, in fact to a certain degree that becomes the only *sane* style of fighting because of the limits on SA.

Hmmm, Some got it others did not.

We still have radar to know where eny are.

I would be fine with a modified icon system get rid of range and plane type would improve some aspects of game play imo.

Or leave range and plane type, and turn off red icon.

BTW i know you can turn off and on the icons. I don't pick from 20 k though I,m talking about the pilots that bnz. It makes it easy for them to pick out icons at a long range to pick over and over again as soon as they loose sight they would have to reevaluate the situation before making the next run. However now they just see  a low 109 at 6k and jump it again. MY thoughts are that if the icons were modified or off  and they lose sight by climbing back up out of sight and start to come back down and now see three planes one of which is a eny con two are friendlies they are going to have to make some better choices. So the dont blow them selves out of the sky by friendly kill shot.

Some of you made my exact point if they don't know and aren't communicating with pilots on their side they will blow themselves out of the sky by shooting their own team mate. Leave kill shoot on.

The ground doesn't have and icon nor does it need it I auger all the time and don't complain. It was my fault.

You shoot your bud out of the sky you deserve to die.

Yes we would see more squad type flying with the same plane types.

I get tired of getting picked by some bnz cherry picker because he can see my icon.
The pilot has to make a different set of choices when he is over a base with 20 cons and 20 friendlies not just
pick the red icons.

Turning on the icons at close range only, would help a little.

Hey guys I still like the game and enjoy playing overall. Its is lame some nights more that others though.

Just some suggestions

[NoBaddy]

Oh come on.  This isn't about flying so you can't see icons.  You can do that now if you choose.  This is about flying so others cannot see your icon.

It's another "I'm getting killed too much/too easy" rant.  You want to fly without icons?  Go for it.  ALT + I.  I for one see dots.  Bushes and GVs look the same to me.

The discussion is nice, but why ask to impose on everyone what you already have the ability to do yourself right now?



wrongway
(after a weeks imposed absence)

Clear, concise and accurate!!

[Karnak]

All of those icon ideas I posted come from Dobs. Warbirds guys will recognize the name.

He is an F15E guy in the USAF and participated in an effort to develop a more realistic icon system. The ideas I posted are directly from him, a guy with real world experience dogfighting trying to get it into the game. The halo, +/- and aspect and range dependent ID all come from what he perceived as a realistic compromise in game.

I can't say where HTC got the +/- system from, but I suggested that idea here well before it was implemented  and I came up with it on my own.  I am not taking credit for it here, merely pointing out that your friend is not necessarily the origin of it.

In the end, no icons means a lot less ACM and a lot more ambushes in which no maneuvering happens.  That sounds a lot less fun.

[SKJohn]

Courtesy of BnZ:
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Only 2400 ft away is this plane that you cannot identify.

Looks like a P-47 to me, but I could be wrong 

[FireDrgn]

Clear, concise and accurate!!

Thats exactly what Sonicblu said........ Turning off the icons so you dont get picked all the time......Cause its to the point in the game were its just BS  you pickers dont go for anyone thats not already engage........Cause you get your prettythang handed to you cause you have no clue how to fly 1v1... your totaly lost.........

NO< > for you

[NoBaddy]

Thats exactly what Sonicblu said........ Turning off the icons so you dont get picked all the time......Cause its to the point in the game were its just BS  you pickers dont go for anyone thats not already engage........Cause you get your uncle handed to you cause you have no clue how to fly 1v1... your totaly lost.........

NO< > for you

Hmmm....

So, what you are saying is that because you lack the skill or experience to utilize good SA....everyone should have to fly without icons? In the immortal words of an old time AH player...."Fly like a cherry......and someone will make cherry pie out of you." Btw, if you wish to try to hand me my "uncle" 1v1.....just let me know when you feel froggy.

[Shamus]

We had a no icon arena once years ago, it was underutilized and didnt last long.

shamus

[FireDrgn]

Geeeze if i have to exsplain it you wont understand......


No im saying picking a player that is already engaged in a 1v1 is lame really lame......Im asking you do you have any respect for a player that is already engaged in a 1v1...?


  BTW   If you will read the whole thread you will see my position on the matter i posted in in plain english...So you have no reason to ask me what im saying!!!

[NoBaddy]

Geeeze if i have to exsplain it you wont understand......

Well, perhaps if you learned a little spelling and punctuation, you wouldn't need to explain your posts.

No im saying picking a player that is already engaged in a 1v1 is lame really lame......Im asking you do you have any respect for a player that is already engaged in a 1v1...?

...and I am saying that if you fly like a dweeb someone will harvest you. Am I saying that I will? Probably not. I'm, often as not, looking for more than one bad guy to fight. But, if I put myself in a situation where I am going to get picked by someone....I sure don't complain because I'm not smart enough to stay out of that situation. Work on your SA and you won't have to worry so much about getting picked. 

BTW cupcake...the offer to fight you 1v1 remains on the table.

[FireDrgn]

More slop....Are you going to specifically answer my question?   ITs a simple yes or no...


Ill 1v1 you in the MA any time i am on.....

[NoBaddy]

More slop....Are you going to specifically answer my question?   ITs a simple yes or no...

Well, since you are obviously a "simple" person...here is the simple answer. If I know its you....I will pick you in a heart beat. If a friendly asks me to stay out...I respect that. I will, generally, ask if my help is needed before entering a 1v1 and I always respect the answer I get. Do I care about the "bad guy's" feelings? No, silly....he is the BAD GUY!!!

BTW, you have simply proven that Wrongway was right. This is about trying to force others to play the way you want them to because your playing style is weak. Being picked is like being vulched....you have to be dumb enough to let someone do it to you!

[mechanic]

NB getting called out? wow, im so IN


edit: for the record, i dont think SonicBlu was ranting about pickers as much as making a realism arena. He never said enforce it on the whole game. I think it would be fun if it was an optional arena that only those willing to make things harder would join.

[FireDrgn]

Well, since you are obviously a "simple" person...here is the simple answer. If I know its you....I will pick you in a heart beat. If a friendly asks me to stay out...I respect that. I will, generally, ask if my help is needed before entering a 1v1 and I always respect the answer I get. Do I care about the "bad guy's" feelings? No, silly....he is the BAD GUY!!!

BTW, you have simply proven that Wrongway was right. This is about trying to force others to play the way you want them to because your playing style is weak. Being picked is like being vulched....you have to be dumb enough to let someone do it to you!

The personal jedi mind tricks dont work on me.....If you know its "me" ?     

BTW  read my post I allready said it was a way to force players to play differently  before wrngway did... so i dont see your point....He validates my post not the other way around.


opppps i forgot some punctuations  i hope u can still understand what i said

[mechanic]

  You're all crazy, from the original post it is quite clear it was intended as an optional arena idea. Who is going to force anyone to log in there? Sonicblu is a decent player, he knows how to fly and fight 1 on 1. I think this is a false mob of protest forming around a good idea.

[Krusty]

He wants 1v1 go to the DA. He was cloaking the request inside an argument of "realism" and "anti-cherry-picking" rhetoric.

Neither of which do anything other than to let the one guy who's already got blinders on to live long enough to kill the other guy in his own private 1-on-1.

1-on-1s can rarely be found in historic events and scenarios.