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Offline oxman27

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New Computer
« on: January 19, 2009, 04:56:56 PM »
Here are the specs for a new system I was thinking about purchasing.  Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

This is the quote we can do and it will give you 1 to 4 monitor access - so you can have a surround of screens.  It's up to you.
 
SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
 
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

ZALMAN/ROSEWILL INTEL DELUXE COOLER (ULTRA QUIET)

ASUS P5N-T Deluxe LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard

SUPER TALENT/AMPO 8GB DDR-2 1066MHZ PC-8500 (4X 2GB)

(WEEKLY SPECIAL) Western Digital WD10EACS 1TB SATA2 16MB Hard Drive

LG/SAMSUNG 20X DVD-RW DUAL LAYER W/LIGHTSCRIBE (PROMO ITEM)

2 VIDEO CARDS NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB IN SLI MODE

6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD

10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet Network Card (onboard)

NZXT ALPHA MID-TOWER ATX CASE - FREE COOLING PKG.

ROSEWILL/NZXT 600 WATT SLI POWER SUPPLY

(SPECIAL) Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64BIT (DVD & LICENSE INCLUDED)

FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING
 
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 05:13:08 PM »
I would nix the SLi 9500GT's.   They are only 128 bit (IIRC) and slow to boot.   

Instead of SLi, get better performance with a stand alone 8800GT.   It'd be about $30-$40 bucks more.   BUT, the gains would be more than significant for other games.   

Not to mention, 600W PSU for any SLi and a Quad is not a good mix.   I know the PC & Cooling 750W is in another thread in this Hardware section.   It's a steal at that price.   
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 05:32:14 PM »
How about this for 1175.00  yes in the above quote you could have up to four monitors but not to play AH, you would need the TripleHead for the complete 3 screen view.  I think the above quote is a lot of money for the parts listed.

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Memory OCZ Platinum   #OCZ2P10664GK   DDR2 PC2-8500 4GB Dual Channel

Video Card EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit   #512-P3-N879-AR

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Re: New Computer
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 05:38:59 PM »
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If you're planning to game on this machine, I wouldn't really expect much out of it.  If you're running 1 monitor, skip the SLI.  If you want to really run up to more than 2 monitors, SLI is probably going to be a nice treat.

But remember, the rule of thumb is Two Low End Cards (the 9500GT) do not come close to a High End Card,  A $150 in most cases is going to perform much better than 2 x $75 cards.  But if you want to cheaply run 4 monitors and don't plan on REALLY gaming, then I guess that would be the only time I'd stick with 2 9500GT's.

According to Tomshardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2118-4.html), the best card for the money right now at $150 is the Radeon HD 4850 512 MB.  The 1GB version isn't much better, but could help in games that have a lot of textures.

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NZXT makes nice cases.  Rosewill does not make good PSU's, period.  They're cheapo and if you're putting together a nice chunk of change like that.  Spend $100 or so on a PSU.

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Why the 64bit Vista?  Just curious.  Any 64bit applications you plan on using in the near future?

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$1500 seems like a lot of that built IMO.
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 05:46:30 PM »
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NZXT makes nice cases.  Rosewill does not make good PSU's, period.  They're cheapo and if you're putting together a nice chunk of change like that.  Spend $100 or so on a PSU.
Love the NZXT cases not this particular one though.  This is NZXT's entry level case and only has support for 3 x 120mm fans (source: NZXT.com From NZXT comes a mainstream chassis designed for value without sacrificing performance. The Alpha features a steel chassis and support for up to three 120mm fans when the optional side panel is included.)  And I am 99.9% sure that Rosewill is a Newegg brand, good shopping not good makers
Final Thoughts
$1500 seems like a lot of that built IMO.
I think the price is way high for that build too as stated above.. great minds....
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 05:55:55 PM »
Tildeath, I read about a system you built for DustyR.  I like the price of that one much better.  Which one would be the better system?  The computer I buy will be used mostly for AH.  Price is obviously important, but most important is having enough machine to run the game without issues.  No more piece of crap WalMart computers for me.

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Re: New Computer
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 05:56:27 PM »
Parts List
Gigabyte Motherboard Part # EP45-UD3P (3 year warranty)
Intel Q6600 Processor Part # BX80562Q6600 (G0 model) (Retail box 3 year limited warranty)
OCZ Vendetta 2 Heatsink & Fan Part # OCZTVEND2 (1 year warranty)
OCZ Reaper Memory 4GB Part #OCZ2RPR10664GK (Lifetime warranty)
EVGA GeForce 9800GTX+ Part # 512-P3-N879-AR (3 year warranty)
Western Digital 500GB Hard drive (not sure which 500 I put in so no part #) (5 year warranty)
Tagan 900 watt Power supply Part # BZ900 (3 year warranty)
NZXT Tempest Case
NZXT SENTRY 1 Fan controller with CPU, System, HDD temp monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium installed and includes disks and license.
All manuals and install disks
Our Price $875.00 built and burned in

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Re: New Computer
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 06:02:44 PM »
Parts List
Gigabyte Motherboard Part # EP45-UD3P (3 year warranty)
Intel Q6600 Processor Part # BX80562Q6600 (G0 model) (Retail box 3 year limited warranty)
OCZ Vendetta 2 Heatsink & Fan Part # OCZTVEND2 (1 year warranty)
OCZ Reaper Memory 4GB Part #OCZ2RPR10664GK (Lifetime warranty)
EVGA GeForce 9800GTX+ Part # 512-P3-N879-AR (3 year warranty)
Western Digital 500GB Hard drive (not sure which 500 I put in so no part #) (5 year warranty)
Tagan 900 watt Power supply Part # BZ900 (3 year warranty)
NZXT Tempest Case
NZXT SENTRY 1 Fan controller with CPU, System, HDD temp monitor
Windows Vista Home Premium installed and includes disks and license.
All manuals and install disks
Our Price $875.00 built and burned in

DustyR’s system has a less expensive MB a less expensive processor and a little slower memory.  Additionally I was offered  rebates from the manufactures that are not available at this time.  Pricing is on a build by build basis.
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 11:07:54 PM »
No offense but IMHO that first sytem you posted is a WAY overpriced POS.  You're getting better on the second parts list.  I'll post more thoughts tomorrow sometime during the day.
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 12:28:17 AM »
Currently, Tildeath is building me a system (one that probably cause me to get divorced :devil ) and so far he has been professional, knowledgeable, and very reasonable during the process.

I'll post my specs, pics, etc when the system arrives next week.
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 02:14:40 AM »
I would wait a few weeks. Skuzzy made a post Intel is dropping prices on processors. The price reduction probably will not reach retail for a few weeks.

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Intel Corp., the world's biggest maker of semiconductors, cut the price of some processors by as much as 48% as it confronts slumping demand and new lower-cost chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc.

The price of the Celeron 570 processor, designed for laptops, dropped 48% to $70, Intel said Monday. One of the company's quad-core desktop-computer models, which have four processors on one piece of silicon, dropped 40% to $316. Intel kept the price of its three most expensive desktop chips unchanged.

The shrinking economy is crimping personal-computer orders, creating a glut of processors. The Santa Clara, Calif., company, mired in its worst slowdown since 2001, also faces mounting competition from AMD, which introduced chips this month at half the price of comparable Intel products. Still, the price cuts aren't a reaction to that, Intel said.

"These changes are part of our regularly scheduled price moves," spokesman George Alfs said. "Intel has been bringing higher and higher performance to a range of price points over many years."

AMD's two new Phenom II processors, unveiled Jan. 8, are the highest-performing products ever produced by the Sunnyvale, Calif., company. Outfitted with more memory and four processors, the chips sell for $235 and $275.

Intel also announced new chips Monday for "massive-compute" jobs. Those products, which have four processing cores, are designed to enable desktop computers to handle heavy-duty data crunching.



Yea right they aren't cutting prices due to AMD Phenom II release. Get real. If this is true they have been overcharging. I would bet HP, Compaq and Dell are making orders on the Phenom II as we speak and Intel is feeling the pressure at lower cost chips.


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Intel on Monday announced price cuts across a wide range of chips used in mobile and desktop PCs, including cuts of up to 40 percent for its quad-core chips.

Intel's Core 2 Quad Q9650 processors are now priced at US$316, a 40 percent drop from December. Other Core 2 Quad chip prices were cut between 16 percent and 20 percent. The quad-core chips are used in high-end desktops like gaming systems.

Intel's move could be a response to increasing price pressure exerted by rival Advanced Micro Devices, which recently announced the Phenom II quad-core chips for high-end desktops. AMD has priced its Phenom II quad-core chips between $235 and $275.

Intel also cut prices of its Xeon chips for servers and Celeron processors for mobile devices by up to 48 percent. The quad-core Xeon 3370 is now priced at $316, a 40 percent drop from December, while the Celeron 570 chip was cut by 48 percent from $134 to $70.

Amid the price drops, Intel also introduced three power-efficient quad-core chips with the "s" moniker. The Core 2 Quad Q9550s processor includes 12MB of L2 cache, runs at 2.83GHz and draws 65 watts of power. The chips are priced at $369. The chip is power-efficient version of the Core 2 Quad Q9550 chip, which draws 95 watts of power.

Intel also introduced the Core 2 Quad Q9400s processor, which runs at 2.66GHz, and the Core 2 Quad Q8200s, which runs at 2.33GHz. This chips are priced at $320 and $245 respectively.


40% drop uggh, they have been rippin yall off! Intel's margins must be huge at up to 40% price reductions.


If you are looking to get the price much lower, go AMD PHENOM II, they got great reviews. For $235, the Phenom II 940 outperformed the Q9400 . It was slower in some components of WorldBench, including WinZip and Photoshop, which lowered its overall score a bit up to the Q9400. In some benchmarks it was close to the Q9650. AMD just reduced price on the Phenom II 940 from $275 to $235 and the Phenom II 920 from $235 to $195!

I know Tildeath will be all over me(With all due respect). The Intel's have more overclocking power but these new AMD processors are priced right and perform well. They performed at or above all Intels up to the Q9400. I am talking Quad core.

The Intel core i7 series continues to be the leader. If you are prepared to spend that much money, wait for the Intel price reductions and look into the core i7 series. If you are looking at raw performance, the i7 920 looks attractive but remember the motherboard(cheapest around $200) and DDR3 will cost more. Hold off a short time and see where the "chips" fall! The price gap may not be as great as your build shortly. It may even be less than the prices you posted and may be within your personal budget.
 
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Re: New Computer
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 02:24:48 AM »
You can wait, I'd rather not watch TV and twiddle my thumbs until then.

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Re: New Computer
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 08:38:14 AM »
If you are looking to get the price much lower, go AMD PHENOM II, they got great reviews. For $235, the Phenom II 940 outperformed the Q9400 . It was slower in some components of WorldBench, including WinZip and Photoshop, which lowered its overall score a bit up to the Q9400. In some benchmarks it was close to the Q9650. AMD just reduced price on the Phenom II 940 from $275 to $235 and the Phenom II 920 from $235 to $195!

The i7 920 which is priced at 229.99 is 5 dollars cheaper and will run circles around the Phenom II.  The price drop does not reflect the fact that the Phenom II reminds me of something you find on late night TV   "Ronco Processor-o-Matic" its garbage.  The pricing your following it seems is suggested retail, which almost none of the resellers follow.  If they did then the i7 920 would be 349.99 and not 229.99.  Microcenter beats processor pricing from Newegg and distributors (Ingram Micro, DandH, ASIpartner, etc) alike.  As far as the benchmarks, overall score is what counts not just a single score, unless that's all you will ever do with this processor then it is worth while.  Every other review I have read on the Phenom II states the chip is garbage.  I personally will stick with the inflated price as you state since I prefer Quality over Price any day

I know Tildeath will be all over me(With all due respect). The Intel's have more overclocking power but these new AMD processors are priced right and perform well. They performed at or above all Intels up to the Q9400. I am talking Quad core.

A lessor expensive Intel chip slightly overclocked will outperform the Phenom II hands down.  In addition the Phenom II was supposed to be AMD's overclocking beast well its Overclocking ability is summed up like this "they OC like a rock trying to float"

The Intel core i7 series continues to be the leader. If you are prepared to spend that much money, wait for the Intel price reductions and look into the core i7 series. If you are looking at raw performance, the i7 920 looks attractive but remember the motherboard(cheapest around $200) and DDR3 will cost more. Hold off a short time and see where the "chips" fall! The price gap may not be as great as your build shortly. It may even be less than the prices you posted and may be within your personal budget.
200.00 is not much for a decent MB, especially when you figure all the MB makers gaming boards are in the 230.00 and up.  I am not saying that you can't get a good board for less, you can but a good gaming board (overclocking board) is in the 300 dollar range.  DDR3 memory has come down in price a lot over last several months.  But memory has been on the rise again since production has been cut due to the economy.  Supply and Demand

In my mind there is not an AMD chip out there worth buying at any price.  They simply do not perform GHz to GHz as an Intel does and purchasing a $ for $ Intel to AMD, the Intel will still out perform the AMD even though the speed is slower.

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Re: New Computer
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 10:11:17 AM »
Here are the specs for a new system I was thinking about purchasing.  Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

This is the quote we can do and it will give you 1 to 4 monitor access - so you can have a surround of screens.  It's up to you.
 
SYSTEM OVERVIEW:
 
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

If this is the way you want to go you might want to hold off for a few weeks to see if the recent Intel price reductions find their way to retail.  If you're not into prfessional graphic or video editing you can save a lot of money by getting a Core2Duo (E8400 and up) instead of a quad core.  If you really are into getting a quad and have the money then look at the Core I7 but the prices are still high IMO.

ZALMAN/ROSEWILL INTEL DELUXE COOLER (ULTRA QUIET)

ASUS P5N-T Deluxe LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard

If I were buying an Nvidia chipset board I'd be looking at eVGA (I have an eVGA 780i).  I've heard of a lot of problems with the ASUS baords lately.  Beyond that, the 780i is limited to DDR2800 RAM.  Both the 750i (DDR21066 IIRC) and the 790i (DDR3 2000 IIRC) support faster RAM although the 750 only has two PCIe slots.  If you've got the money to look to the future get the 790.  If you want a good board at a good price get the 750.

SUPER TALENT/AMPO 8GB DDR-2 1066MHZ PC-8500 (4X 2GB)

Huh?  I've never even heard of this brand.  Stick with a reputable brand; OCZ, Cousair, Kingston HyperX, etc.  Make sure what you're getting is low latency (i.e. 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15)

(WEEKLY SPECIAL) Western Digital WD10EACS 1TB SATA2 16MB Hard Drive

Hard drives this size make great storage/back-up drives but I'd want something smaller (250 Gb or less) as my primary boot drive.  I've also had, and have heard of, more problems with WD drives than Seagates.

LG/SAMSUNG 20X DVD-RW DUAL LAYER W/LIGHTSCRIBE (PROMO ITEM)

2 VIDEO CARDS NVIDIA 9500GT 1GB IN SLI MODE

Now this is the biggest waste of money in this system.  Putting two bad cards in a machine won't suddenly make them good.  You're at least one step below the minimum that you should be looking at (9600, 8800, 9800, GT260, GT280).  Buy ONE good card for what you were going to pay for these and you'll be much better off.

6-CHANNEL DIGITAL SOUND ONBOARD

With the money that we've already saved  :) you can now afford to buy a Creative X-Fi soundcard and unload all the audio processing off the main machine.

10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet Network Card (onboard)

NZXT ALPHA MID-TOWER ATX CASE - FREE COOLING PKG.

ROSEWILL/NZXT 600 WATT SLI POWER SUPPLY

Cheap PSU.  Buy something good (PC Power & Cooling for instance).  This is also marginal for an SLI rig.  If you want to SLI now or in the future you're going to want to be in the 750 Watt range with a ton of amps on the 12 volt rails

(SPECIAL) Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64BIT (DVD & LICENSE INCLUDED)

FED-EX GROUND SHIPPING
 
1565.00



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Re: New Computer
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 10:17:19 AM »
There.  I said I'd post more thoughts.  There they are.

I totally agree!

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