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Offline uptown

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2009, 11:26:26 AM »
Modern day air combat is not dogfighting. I like dogfighting. Seeing the enemy and trying to counter his every move. The sound of the Merlin and Rolls engines straining in the vertical and roaring in a dive.

Fighting a missile shot at me from 10 miles away by deploying flares and shooting back at a blip on my radar screen is not my cup of tea.

I love WW2 history and the planes of that era. That is the time when dogfighting was at its' finest. WW1 paved the way and Korea was the beginning of the end. :salute
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Offline TonyJoey

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 11:49:05 AM »
Not at all

Offline Wingnutt

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2009, 11:51:45 AM »
could be fun f done right, but would be alot of work on the developers IMO,  just modeling the different radar system capabilities properly and how they interact with the terrain alone would be a PITA..

I think it could be fun though.

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2009, 11:59:13 AM »
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 12:01:04 PM »
What modern day air combat?

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 12:23:42 PM »
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2009, 12:57:27 PM »
no
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 01:14:36 PM »
kazzaa u chittstirrrrer!  :furious  :lol

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 01:38:09 PM »
     The more I read these posts, the more I come to believe the vast majority
of folks get their missile data from Hollywood or the History channel.  There is a
reason they called the Sparrow the Great White Hope in Vietnam ya know  :lol
Well, my answer is "no" and I do have realistic understandings of missile capabilities.  They are quite capable now (Vietnam isn't modern, FYI) as has been demonstrated the few times they have been used in the last 20 years.

My issue with modern air combat is that it is so computer based.  It is almost more about computer systems management than it is about airmanship.  Another issue is the comparative lack of competitive airframes and sheer dominance of others (F-22) that would make the P-51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, La-7 and N1K2-J dominance in AH look downright balanced.  The long engagement ranges are just the final straw.
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 02:10:07 PM »
     The more I read these posts, the more I come to believe the vast majority
of folks get their missile data from Hollywood or the History channel.  There is a
reason they called the Sparrow the Great White Hope in Vietnam ya know  :lol

You're showing your age in reference to a war fought with first generation air to air missiles, 30 years ago.  Missiles these days, IE "Modern" are much more reliable.  Sidewinder AIM- 9X is better at hitting the leading edge (wing) heat signature of today's jets than the Vietnam era AIM-9B/D/E was at hitting the EXHAUST of its' target.  Albeit, the -9X is probably the single most capable IR missile in existence today, the others in this generation aren't that far behind.

Avoiding any missile threat, these days is difficult once lock-on is achieved.  This is why so much time, effort and R&D money goes into ECM rather than avoidance techniques.  Once today's missiles are inbound, your chances are already slim.
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2009, 02:21:16 PM »
What about the modern computers that allow you to play games like Aces High?

 :o You win this round  :D

I suppose I should have said I like to have my cake and eat it too. I like to ala carte my technology. I think that when it comes things such as warfare, we should use rudimentary technology that exhibits more of the skills of the combatants.

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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2009, 02:58:13 PM »
Would you rather race a Nissan R35 GT-R, or a Ferrari F40?  The question is "race", not reincarnate as.

Modern day air combat is more about the machine than the pilot, than WWII is, and that kills it.  Pressing inputs into a computer on your computer screen so that virtual computer does the work for you before your eyes even see the enemy is nowhere as fun as directly, manualy moving the virtual plane yourself.  If there was a mod that removed all remote weapons and strapped on guns, even ultra lethal modern gatling guns, it'd be a different story.
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2009, 03:11:22 PM »
     The more I read these posts, the more I come to believe the vast majority
of folks get their missile data from Hollywood or the History channel.  There is a
reason they called the Sparrow the Great White Hope in Vietnam ya know  :lol

That could be said of about all the ATA missiles of the era. The evolved Sparrow went on to give good service and has many kills on its record. In the Gulf-1 war alone it accounted for a couple dozen Iraqi aircraft. It was the Sparrow that gave Qadafi a bloody nose as well in one of the Gulf of Sidra incidents.
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2009, 03:14:20 PM »
Ace Combat is a very popular modern air combat game... probably not a lick accurate, but I like it. :)
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Re: Do you like modern day air combat ?
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2009, 03:15:56 PM »
That is why Ace Combat is an Arcade type game. To easy to shoot missiles at people miles away. Though that series was one of the all time best series I have ever played ever!