Ki-61

[BnZs]

Excuse my ignorance, but is that wrong?  I remember reading that the 47 and 51 used different types of flaps, and the 47's produced more lift... Or am I misremembering?

The difference between a slotted and plain maneuvering flap does not account for how darn little the P-51's flaps do for it, how the P-47D-11 outurns the P-51 in all configurations despite a significantly higher wingloading, very different from the historical testing, just as the Ki-61 does not turn as well as WWII testing showed.

Judging by the relative improvement in turn radius, you'd have to conclude the Fw-190s split flaps are more efficient than the P-51s, which is just absolutely bizarre.

[SectorNine50]

The difference between a slotted and plain maneuvering flap does not account for how darn little the P-51's flaps do for it, how the P-47D-11 outurns the P-51 in all configurations despite a significantly higher wingloading, very different from the historical testing, just as the Ki-61 does not turn as well as WWII testing showed.

Judging by the relative improvement in turn radius, you'd have to conclude the Fw-190s split flaps are more efficient than the P-51s, which is just absolutely bizarre.

That is interesting...  But this is the wrong thread for it.  Sorry for the hijack, I'll start another.

[BnZs]

That is interesting...  But this is the wrong thread for it.  Sorry for the hijack, I'll start another.

Don't, been there, done that, not going to get changed until AHIII and I like the Jug better anyway.

[GFShill]

I liken the Ki-61 to a bobsled. It'll go pretty fast in a downhill run, but once you get on the deck and turnfighting, you're going to get outrun in a level dash by any of the late-war planes.  On the other hand, because you're slower, you can turn tighter without blacking out due to G's. Also, having two nose-mounted cannons means you don't have to worry about convergence at any range, and the .50s on the outside mean you have some cone of fire for those planes that are in close and are just a bit off your centerline.

I consider the Ki-61 cannons to have a pretty fast rate of fire.

You don't see it much in the Late War arena because it's outclassed in level speed by so many other planes, owing to the fact it has the same engine as the 109E.

[Spikes]

I liken the Ki-61 to a bobsled. It'll go pretty fast in a downhill run, but once you get on the deck and turnfighting, you're going to get outrun in a level dash by any of the late-war planes.  On the other hand, because you're slower, you can turn tighter without blacking out due to G's. Also, having two nose-mounted cannons means you don't have to worry about convergence at any range, and the .50s on the outside mean you have some cone of fire for those planes that are in close and are just a bit off your centerline.

I consider the Ki-61 cannons to have a pretty fast rate of fire.

You don't see it much in the Late War arena because it's outclassed in level speed by so many other planes, owing to the fact it has the same engine as the 109E.

I do like it for these reasons. You have speed if you keep your E up, but if you lose it, you do have the ability to turn fight since it's quite a nimble plane IMHO.

[SectorNine50]

Don't, been there, done that, not going to get changed until AHIII and I like the Jug better anyway.

Lol I read your post a bit too late...

[Masherbrum]

I liken the Ki-61 to a bobsled. It'll go pretty fast in a downhill run, but once you get on the deck and turnfighting, you're going to get outrun in a level dash by any of the late-war planes.  On the other hand, because you're slower, you can turn tighter without blacking out due to G's. Also, having two nose-mounted cannons means you don't have to worry about convergence at any range, and the .50s on the outside mean you have some cone of fire for those planes that are in close and are just a bit off your centerline.

I consider the Ki-61 cannons to have a pretty fast rate of fire.

You don't see it much in the Late War arena because it's outclassed in level speed by so many other planes, owing to the fact it has the same engine as the 109E.

I disagree to agree.

All I'll say is I'm GRATEFUL that most deem the Ki-61 a "POS". 

[Banshee7]

I disagree to agree.

All I'll say is I'm GRATEFUL that most deem the Ki-61 a "POS". 

Ki-61 is even worse than a POS...

[BaldEagl]

Anyway, we can be glad it doesn't have the FM2 like turning of the original, 'cause that would be scary. 

It's not far off the turn rate of the FM2.  I fought and beat one one night in a Ki-61.

The only planes I hesitate to get into a fight against when in a Spit XVI are the F4U-1A and the Ki-61.  When I do the pilot makes all the difference.  The Ki is a sweet ride.

[iTunes]

Took one to a cv furball the other night, nice fun crate to drive, I would put it in the same bracket as the pony B, in terms of being underestimated and underused.

[Gabriel]

Plane is a piece of crap except for guns 

[Masherbrum]

Plane is a piece of crap except for guns 

Let me know when you wish to meet in the DA.   

[druski85]

I enjoy the 61 quite a lot.  I do find myself out of or low on ammo more often than most other rides, though.  I agree the cannons are very lethal in close, but with a weak engine it is sometimes difficult to get in close, against an intelligent stick. 

All in all, still a very fun and potent plane.  This guy and the 109F may tie for my favorite spit killers. 

[iTunes]

Could it hang with a pony in a dive? Thinking of the split s followed by the run to the ack crowd here. 109 loses ground in a dive, 61 could be a useful tool here.

[Spikes]

I enjoy the 61 quite a lot.  I do find myself out of or low on ammo more often than most other rides, though.  I agree the cannons are very lethal in close, but with a weak engine it is sometimes difficult to get in close, against an intelligent stick. 

All in all, still a very fun and potent plane.  This guy and the 109F may tie for my favorite spit killers. 

That's one thing. Honestly. I'm never afraid to get into a turn fight in this thing. When I was on my 12th kill and heading home, a Spit5 was catching up to me. I didn't know the model of it right then, but I figured it was a Spit16...he was a decent stick and even then, I promptly out turned him, used my last 8 cannon rounds and blew his wing off, and kept on my way home.